Originally Posted by asims33

Im personally really sick of reading this crap day in and day out... Its the same stuff over and over. You high time Airline pilots are always looking down your nose at those "Wet-ATP-Kid-Wonders" that make it to the right seat....


The airline must have saw some skill in that kid or he wouldnt have been there. If you dont like the industry then leave... If you had to have more hours to be hired than the current market that sucks sorry but i dont wanna hear you complain. I am only 20 years old, ive jumped hurdles and moved mountains to finish my flight training and ill be dammed if i let some bitter old capitain sit here and disrespect me and other young pilots by saying we havent payed our dues...Hell just finishing training is almost impossible nowadays, flight schools trying to rip you off, greedy examiners, bad weather, terrible economy, high fuel prices, bad hiring market, and to beat it all the more experiance pilots like some of you are so bitter you wont even look in the direction of a student pilot or a new pilot let alone help them or give them advice. You should be happy that we dont have to live off food stamps while waiting for a job....Im really sorry if you did, but now you are living your dream you should be stoked. Sounds to me like you are a bit immature to say stuff like that. Im sitting in a marketing office at an insurance company going insane behind a desk to pay my bills waiting for my chance to fly for an airline or cargo company, i have no clue what "dues" you are talking about but that is not in the job requirements sir you need to grow up.


As far as the minimums id say they are gonna be high to start off with just like everyone else. But as ive already learned newer pilots just need to hang in there our time will come.

Originally Posted by asims33

I am only 20 years old, ive jumped hurdles and moved mountains to finish my flight training and ill be dammed if i let some bitter old capitain sit here and disrespect me and other young pilots by saying we havent payed our dues...Hell just finishing training is almost impossible nowadays, flight schools trying to rip you off, greedy examiners, bad weather, terrible economy, high fuel prices, bad hiring market, and to beat it all the more experiance pilots like some of you are so bitter you wont even look in the direction of a student pilot or a new pilot let alone help them or give them advice.

Originally Posted by LeftWing

I'm glad that you're so proud of yourself for getting your ratings. Although I disagree that it as akin to moving mountains, I do remember having that sense of accomplishment and it is fine to feel that way.

There are midlife career changers that were quite accomplished in their former fields. There are also young folks like you that apparently had to work hard to fund your training. However, no matter where you came from or how you got there, getting your ratings is not paying your dues. I'm sure that you've heard the saying about your tickets are your license to learn. To add to that, your ratings simply make it legal for you to START paying your dues.

Originally Posted by asims33

The airline must have saw some skill in that kid or he wouldnt have been there. If you dont like the industry then leave... If you had to have more hours to be hired than the current market that sucks sorry but i dont wanna hear you complain. I am only 20 years old, ive jumped hurdles and moved mountains to finish my flight training and ill be dammed if i let some bitter old capitain sit here and disrespect me and other young pilots by saying we havent payed our dues...Hell just finishing training is almost impossible nowadays, flight schools trying to rip you off, greedy examiners, bad weather, terrible economy, high fuel prices, bad hiring market, and to beat it all the more experiance pilots like some of you are so bitter you wont even look in the direction of a student pilot or a new pilot let alone help them or give them advice.

Originally Posted by asims33

Ok to address the post before this one. I am very humble, you do not know me and have nor met me, you analyze me through these posts in which i am angry about how new young pilots are treated. I know many captains and show as much respect to them as i can. I stated it very clearly earlier, i dont want your respect off the bat that is something not only do i HAVE to earn, i want to earn it and not just get it. BUT with that being said i absolutely will NOT be disrespected by people who dont even know me or how i fly, and SOME captains have that attitude and say very rude things on these forums about new pilots and that is not ok with me. That has nothign to do with me being humble or not.

Now for the next post, I am not arguing that captains have not payed their dues, nor am i arguing that "dues" arent important. What my argument is is that some captains automatically dislike or flat out hate younger pilots because they generalize us into a pool of pilots that cannot fly.

I have not claimed to pay my dues, all i have said is that these captains who constantly insult younger pilots should be ashamed.

If you disagree thats cool i dont mind, all ive said is what i feel.

I am as humble as i can be even to these captains that i disagree with please dont get that wrong.

Originally Posted by asims33

i am angry about how new young pilots are treated. BUT with that being said i absolutely will NOT be disrespected by people who dont even know me or how i fly, and SOME captains have that attitude and say very rude things on these forums about new pilots and that is not ok with me. That has nothign to do with me being humble or not.

What my argument is is that some captains automatically dislike or flat out hate younger pilots because they generalize us into a pool of pilots that cannot fly.

I have not claimed to pay my dues, all i have said is that these captains who constantly insult younger pilots should be ashamed.

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Originally Posted by Blueskies21

Maybe you have a short memory? I think most people would construe the first quote to be you saying you HAVE paid your dues.... Maybe it's just me. It seems to me you recharacterize alot of what you "meant" in previous posts. There's several guys saying you're not humble enough and you think everyone is wrong? You claim that guys can't judge you without knowing you or how you fly, attitude has a lot to do with it, it's pretty clear how you feel. Everyone holding a commercial pilots license should know how to fly, you don't get extra points for that, attitude is everything.