splat

Thats right, they were wide awake and overflew the airport. .

seafeye

I personally don't think it's anyone’s business but the airlines, NTSB and the FAA.
Making public what the crew did the night before is none of anyone's business but their own. I find this intrusion very disturbing and we should all have a right to person privacy. If a conversation on the CVR wasn't related to work then it should be bleeped out. Just like the swear words. It just isn't anybody’s business.

Nada Surf

It's not a statement, it's my commitment. When is the last time you heard of a fully loaded 777, 767, or MD-11 push the power up with the wrong flap setting? The consequences with 355 pax (MD-11) and 220 thousands Lbs. of fuel are very unforgiving.

It's deadly serious.

These two were more interested in cars.

I guess now they will have plenty of time to shop around for them.

Sorry but my wife and kids could have been on that flight. I really have no pity for them.

Get your ****** together or get out.

Ok I'm done for another 5 yrs.

Surfs up,

Nada

TurboDog

OK. I'll give that to you. However you look at it, they flew past their airport of intended landing. FACT: It was by nature of the pilots not doing their job.

If you are looking for hard facts on a public aviation forum good luck trying to find that.

TurboDog

I totally agree that there is more to it than pay. To most in the service, it's all about serving their country.

How is it that a service member can be making less than 30K a year before hazardous duty pay in a war zone and a private contractor can go do the exact same job flying a UAV for less than half of the period of time as the service member and make 150K for that 6 months? Is either of those two individuals more experienced than the other? Maybe. Is one more of a professional than the other?

NightIP

I really don't want to start in on this, but regional airlines are not the only airlines that have had their fair share of problems. It's already been brought up, but what about the Northwest A320 that overflew MSP? Not going to fly on an A320 anymore?

What about the CAL 737 that lost control on takeoff in DEN?

What about the AA 737 that overran in Jamaica?

What about the SWA 737 that overran in MDW?

What about the SWA 737 that overran in BUR?

What about the MD-11 that crashed in Narita?

What about the MD-11 that crashed in MEM?

What about the DAL 727 that crashed in DFW after taking off at the incorrect flap setting? (DCA88MA072 ...looks familiar right?)

Honestly, I don't trust the type of pilot who sits there and says "It won't happen to me." The pilots who sit down and thoroughly read an accident transcript, realize it could be them, and actually learn something from it are the most professional pilots in my book.

Dashdog

Don't forget the NWA DC-9 that did the same thing in DTW.

Da Magic

Nada,

Not picking on you but there have been times when a "major" has made very costly human errors and unfortunately it will happen again at all levels.

In this situation it's just good no one was hurt. The problem is if this wasnt the first time that it had happened (changing config during TO), and that if it were 31L in JFK we would never have heard about.

On a side note, would they have made it if they continued at flap 8 out of CRW??

N9373M

Why would it matter how many pax or how much fuel? From a Cessna 152 to an A380, a life is a life. It does and it will happen no matter what you're flying or how many are on board. Read the accident report(s) and learn. No one is exempt from complacency or distractions, no matter what they fly.

DryMotorBoatin

Phewwww...is anybody else hot in here? One of the more lively debates I've read on here. That being said, why is there a major vs. regional mentality? We're all pilots. We're all passionate about what we do. I don't know why you major guys walk around with your chest puffed out like your infalliable. I think that NIGHTIP did a d-mn fine job of providing evidence of major airline accidents caused by grossly unprofessional behavior in the cockpit.

How about this...if youre a major airline pilot and you yourself think youre God's gift to aviation. You think you are completely incapable of having an accident/incident and you think that regional pilots are worthless excuses of wannabe pilots...take a regional pilot "under your wing" (lame pun i know) and mentor that pilot to become more like you. Don't get on here and run your mouth non stop about how you wouldn't let your neighbors dog ride in an RJ. Do somthing about it! Profess all of your wisdom and expertise to someone who doesn't have your gift. One by one you can make all us dumb sh-t RJ guys so much better pilots.