CRW Overrun Transcript
04-09-2010, 05:40 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by TurboDog
Just like the media only reporting on one side of the big picture.
So there have been no problems at the Majors?
Nobody landed on a wrong taxiway last year?
None of the Majors where involved in runway incursions?
Nobody overflew their airport because they fell asleep on the flight deck?
You should feel lucky that ALPA goes to bat for you in a way that they don't for the Regionals.
Take Sully out of the picture and you have nothing. And let's not kid ourselves, the outcome of his story is more unlikely than you winning the PowerBall 5 times before you retire.
So there have been no problems at the Majors?
Nobody landed on a wrong taxiway last year?
None of the Majors where involved in runway incursions?
Nobody overflew their airport because they fell asleep on the flight deck?
You should feel lucky that ALPA goes to bat for you in a way that they don't for the Regionals.
Take Sully out of the picture and you have nothing. And let's not kid ourselves, the outcome of his story is more unlikely than you winning the PowerBall 5 times before you retire.
04-09-2010, 05:50 AM
#42
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Originally Posted by TurboDog
I agree that pay can be a motivator, but I don't think it makes a professional. Take our military personnel for instance. Most (not all) are very well trained professionals and they don't get paid near what their civilian counterparts do. However, they still get the job done and they get it done to a level that most civilians wouldn't have the discipline to.
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Also even junior enlisted pay is not that bad...when you factor in benefits, tax-free allowances and any specialty pays they progress about the same as an RJ pilot (specialty pay is the key...some skills have recently gotten retention bonuses near $200k).
04-09-2010, 06:27 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by TurboDog
Just like the media only reporting on one side of the big picture.
So there have been no problems at the Majors?
Nobody landed on a wrong taxiway last year?
None of the Majors where involved in runway incursions?
Nobody overflew their airport because they fell asleep on the flight deck?
You should feel lucky that ALPA goes to bat for you in a way that they don't for the Regionals.
Take Sully out of the picture and you have nothing. And let's not kid ourselves, the outcome of his story is more unlikely than you winning the PowerBall 5 times before you retire.
So there have been no problems at the Majors?
Nobody landed on a wrong taxiway last year?
None of the Majors where involved in runway incursions?
Nobody overflew their airport because they fell asleep on the flight deck?
You should feel lucky that ALPA goes to bat for you in a way that they don't for the Regionals.
Take Sully out of the picture and you have nothing. And let's not kid ourselves, the outcome of his story is more unlikely than you winning the PowerBall 5 times before you retire.
Sorry but you can't take Sulley out of the picture. Sulley is not special, and dosen't represent just one person but tens of thousands of Major Airline Pilots with equal number of hours and experience who would have exhibited the same professional demeanor and calm to produce the best possible outcome. Sulley just drew the straw.
Cheers
04-09-2010, 07:04 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by yamahas3
Thrust levers physically at auto causes spoilers to deploy. Actual fan speed above 77.9% causes the config warning. The engines don't spool down as fast as you bring the levers back, therefore for a split second you get the config warning.
It looks like this crew tried really hard to kill themselves and were saved by the complete luck of having EMAS at the end. Any other airport and this would've been another Colgan 3407 aftermath.
It looks like this crew tried really hard to kill themselves and were saved by the complete luck of having EMAS at the end. Any other airport and this would've been another Colgan 3407 aftermath.
04-09-2010, 07:16 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by Nada Surf
Sorry but you can't take Sulley out of the picture. Sulley is not special, and dosen't represent just one person but tens of thousands of Major Airline Pilots with equal number of hours and experience who would have exhibited the same professional demeanor and calm to produce the best possible outcome. Sulley just drew the straw.
Cheers
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04-09-2010, 08:05 AM
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I'll agree that the improper setting of the flaps can happen to any CA and FO.
What would not happen to any of us: Selecting flaps 20 above 80 knots to remedy the problem.
What he should of done was abort, follow the company procedures for the abort (telling dispatch, brake cooling, report etc.), set the flaps to 20 and blasted off.
It would have been a lot easier than what they've put up with (and will continue to put up with), now that the report is public.
What would not happen to any of us: Selecting flaps 20 above 80 knots to remedy the problem.
What he should of done was abort, follow the company procedures for the abort (telling dispatch, brake cooling, report etc.), set the flaps to 20 and blasted off.
It would have been a lot easier than what they've put up with (and will continue to put up with), now that the report is public.
04-09-2010, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Nada Surf
For those of you who think "oh it could happen to any one of us", your looking at this the wrong way and to be honest it is quite disturbing.
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As for me, when I see something like this over run, my first and last thought is "That will NEVER happen to me".
Just another reason to avoid RJ's until you guys decide to police yourselves. Your reputation is suffering.
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As for me, when I see something like this over run, my first and last thought is "That will NEVER happen to me".
Just another reason to avoid RJ's until you guys decide to police yourselves. Your reputation is suffering.
The level of discipline required to attain a regional jet job reached an all-time low in recent years. It would guess accidents like this are the fallout of such times.
Apparently the effects of accidents like Buffalo and Lexington only last so long before professionalism falls back off the cliff.
04-09-2010, 08:35 AM
#48
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Transcript Policy?
I recently saw Captain Sullenberger give a talk regarding the Cactus 1549 incident. One of the things he mentioned is that the NTSB policy is not to release cockpit transcripts. I think the reasoning was to foster open communication between FO and Captain. They might be more reluctant to speak up if every word may eventually become public.
But here we have a detailed transcript released less than 4 months after the incident.
Can anyone explain this apparent discrepancy?
But here we have a detailed transcript released less than 4 months after the incident.
Can anyone explain this apparent discrepancy?
04-09-2010, 09:14 AM
#49
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Originally Posted by Nada Surf
As for me, when I see something like this over run, my first and last thought is "That will NEVER happen to me".
04-09-2010, 09:15 AM
#50
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Originally Posted by abelenky
I recently saw Captain Sullenberger give a talk regarding the Cactus 1549 incident. One of the things he mentioned is that the NTSB policy is not to release cockpit transcripts. I think the reasoning was to foster open communication between FO and Captain. They might be more reluctant to speak up if every word may eventually become public.
But here we have a detailed transcript released less than 4 months after the incident.
Can anyone explain this apparent discrepancy?
But here we have a detailed transcript released less than 4 months after the incident.
Can anyone explain this apparent discrepancy?
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