Proposed new pay package for SkyWest
09-15-2010 | 05:49 PM
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Side note, I am very happy the group that got the largest raise was our EMB FO's. In every package since I've come to SKW our EMB FO's have been left out so it's about time they got something. Although I do feel it should have been at least 10%.
09-15-2010 | 06:15 PM
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Hey Chip, how's sgu?
I've been watching and listening to the usual suspects whine and complain like they always do about this. I'm not that excited about what is being offered but it is above the industry average. Skywest f/os are paid the 2nd highest in the industry. The bro f/os are being given a 5% raise for an a/c the has been losing money. The are the highest paid bro pilots in the world.
But lets be honest. The people complaining about this are the same people who spread the discontent about the company on a daily basis. The ones who don't understand the hsa accounts because they are either to lazy or lack the integrity to tell the truth about it.
we fly contract work for another party, keeping our costs down is how we stay competitive. This is my biggest problem with the alpo cheerleaders. The don't understand how this industry or free market economy works. you people who want alpa knew we were non-union when you applied. It shows wilful ignorance or lack of integrity.
Finally while I'm on the subject of alpa. Do you alpo chearleaders understand that if alpa is voted in we will guaranteed be merged with asa? Think about it, you can always leave.
But lets be honest. The people complaining about this are the same people who spread the discontent about the company on a daily basis. The ones who don't understand the hsa accounts because they are either to lazy or lack the integrity to tell the truth about it.
we fly contract work for another party, keeping our costs down is how we stay competitive. This is my biggest problem with the alpo cheerleaders. The don't understand how this industry or free market economy works. you people who want alpa knew we were non-union when you applied. It shows wilful ignorance or lack of integrity.
Finally while I'm on the subject of alpa. Do you alpo chearleaders understand that if alpa is voted in we will guaranteed be merged with asa? Think about it, you can always leave.
09-15-2010 | 06:15 PM
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With being a regional the lack of conflicts-of-interest is a huge plus. Stick with your corporate world.
09-15-2010 | 06:37 PM
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1) Get ready to pay more than 1.95% at your "future non-ALPO" carrier.
2) Think the ALPA chest thumpers are bad? Get ready for the SWAPA blowhards. The union love over there is so thick you need a steak knife to cut through it. "On the fourth day, God created SWAPA..."
3) Mesa (my former carrier) got a bigger raise (percentage wise) in their last contract, and that was a giant piece of garbage. But hey, you're a CA, so you'll reap the benefits while the F/O's continue to make nothing, and the upgrade time lengthens. You fit right in with the "pull the ladder up after me crowd."
2) Think the ALPA chest thumpers are bad? Get ready for the SWAPA blowhards. The union love over there is so thick you need a steak knife to cut through it. "On the fourth day, God created SWAPA..."
3) Mesa (my former carrier) got a bigger raise (percentage wise) in their last contract, and that was a giant piece of garbage. But hey, you're a CA, so you'll reap the benefits while the F/O's continue to make nothing, and the upgrade time lengthens. You fit right in with the "pull the ladder up after me crowd."
SWAPA union dues are 1%. They are .25% while you are on probation.
The President of SWAPA earns 125% of line captain pay for his presidential services. Somebody please remind me what John Prater of ALPO gets paid?
On the fourth day, God did create SWAPA. Gods name is "Herb Kelleher." Quick history lesson, but it was Herb Kelleher who financially funded the startup costs and creation of SWAPA. Hmmm. Lets think about that one. Why on earth would Herb Kelleher do such a thing?
Again, my opinion only, but SWAPA is the only pilot union worth being a member.
1) They are pro-business. They fundamentally understand their business and what it takes to be financially successful.
2) SWA pilots fundamentally understand that unless ALL EMPLOYEES at SWA participate in the financial success of SWA, the pilots will not themselves be financially successful.
3) SWA pilots respect their management, and their management respects them. Pilots are generally left to do what they do best, fly airplanes. Management is generally left to do what they do best, manage a multi-billion dollar business.
Side note:
I wonder how many of us Skywest pilots feel that if we deserve industry leading pay for what we do, so then do our flight attendants? How about our mechanics? How about our dispatchers? How about the secretaries in St. George? How about the guy who empties the trash out of Chips garbage can?
All of us (ALL Skywest employees) are replaceable. Our individual success as pilots is 100% dependent on the thousands of other non-pilot Skywest employees doing the best job they can and being appropriately compensated for their hard work.
If we as pilots deserve a 5% or 10% or 30% pay raise because we are so good at what we do, then so does every other non-pilot Skywest employee.
09-15-2010 | 06:57 PM
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Funny! That is how you meant your post, right?
SWAPA union dues are 1%. They are .25% while you are on probation.
The President of SWAPA earns 125% of line captain pay for his presidential services. Somebody please remind me what John Prater of ALPO gets paid?
On the fourth day, God did create SWAPA. Gods name is "Herb Kelleher." Quick history lesson, but it was Herb Kelleher who financially funded the startup costs and creation of SWAPA. Hmmm. Lets think about that one. Why on earth would Herb Kelleher do such a thing?
Again, my opinion only, but SWAPA is the only pilot union worth being a member.
1) They are pro-business. They fundamentally understand their business and what it takes to be financially successful.
2) SWA pilots fundamentally understand that unless ALL EMPLOYEES at SWA participate in the financial success of SWA, the pilots will not themselves be financially successful.
3) SWA pilots respect their management, and their management respects them. Pilots are generally left to do what they do best, fly airplanes. Management is generally left to do what they do best, manage a multi-billion dollar business.
Side note:
I wonder how many of us Skywest pilots feel that if we deserve industry leading pay for what we do, so then do our flight attendants? How about our mechanics? How about our dispatchers? How about the secretaries in St. George? How about the guy who empties the trash out of Chips garbage can?
All of us (ALL Skywest employees) are replaceable. Our individual success as pilots is 100% dependent on the thousands of other non-pilot Skywest employees doing the best job they can and being appropriately compensated for their hard work.
If we as pilots deserve a 5% or 10% or 30% pay raise because we are so good at what we do, then so does every other non-pilot Skywest employee.
SWAPA union dues are 1%. They are .25% while you are on probation.
The President of SWAPA earns 125% of line captain pay for his presidential services. Somebody please remind me what John Prater of ALPO gets paid?
On the fourth day, God did create SWAPA. Gods name is "Herb Kelleher." Quick history lesson, but it was Herb Kelleher who financially funded the startup costs and creation of SWAPA. Hmmm. Lets think about that one. Why on earth would Herb Kelleher do such a thing?
Again, my opinion only, but SWAPA is the only pilot union worth being a member.
1) They are pro-business. They fundamentally understand their business and what it takes to be financially successful.
2) SWA pilots fundamentally understand that unless ALL EMPLOYEES at SWA participate in the financial success of SWA, the pilots will not themselves be financially successful.
3) SWA pilots respect their management, and their management respects them. Pilots are generally left to do what they do best, fly airplanes. Management is generally left to do what they do best, manage a multi-billion dollar business.
Side note:
I wonder how many of us Skywest pilots feel that if we deserve industry leading pay for what we do, so then do our flight attendants? How about our mechanics? How about our dispatchers? How about the secretaries in St. George? How about the guy who empties the trash out of Chips garbage can?
All of us (ALL Skywest employees) are replaceable. Our individual success as pilots is 100% dependent on the thousands of other non-pilot Skywest employees doing the best job they can and being appropriately compensated for their hard work.
If we as pilots deserve a 5% or 10% or 30% pay raise because we are so good at what we do, then so does every other non-pilot Skywest employee.
So...when you say "every other non-pilot SkyWest employee", you're saying no one in our management deserves more than the 1.5% we're being offered either!!!????
09-15-2010 | 07:44 PM
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Funny! That is how you meant your post, right?
No.
SWAPA union dues are 1%. They are .25% while you are on probation.
Surprising.
The President of SWAPA earns 125% of line captain pay for his presidential services. Somebody please remind me what John Prater of ALPO gets paid?
Too much, we agree on that.
On the fourth day, God did create SWAPA. Gods name is "Herb Kelleher." Quick history lesson, but it was Herb Kelleher who financially funded the startup costs and creation of SWAPA. Hmmm. Lets think about that one. Why on earth would Herb Kelleher do such a thing?
Spare me the history lesson. I'm very familiar with the airline and its history.
Again, my opinion only, but SWAPA is the only pilot union worth being a member.
It likely is.
1) They are pro-business. They fundamentally understand their business and what it takes to be financially successful.
See below.
2) SWA pilots fundamentally understand that unless ALL EMPLOYEES at SWA participate in the financial success of SWA, the pilots will not themselves be financially successful.
Tell that to the guys who voted the last contract down. Not enough money for them. The backpay check (between $20-70,000 depending on the pilot) wasn't enough either.
3) SWA pilots respect their management, and their management respects them. Pilots are generally left to do what they do best, fly airplanes. Management is generally left to do what they do best, manage a multi-billion dollar business.
Once you hit the line, you'll find the relationship to be slightly less "warm" than you describe.
No.
SWAPA union dues are 1%. They are .25% while you are on probation.
Surprising.
The President of SWAPA earns 125% of line captain pay for his presidential services. Somebody please remind me what John Prater of ALPO gets paid?
Too much, we agree on that.
On the fourth day, God did create SWAPA. Gods name is "Herb Kelleher." Quick history lesson, but it was Herb Kelleher who financially funded the startup costs and creation of SWAPA. Hmmm. Lets think about that one. Why on earth would Herb Kelleher do such a thing?
Spare me the history lesson. I'm very familiar with the airline and its history.
Again, my opinion only, but SWAPA is the only pilot union worth being a member.
It likely is.
1) They are pro-business. They fundamentally understand their business and what it takes to be financially successful.
See below.
2) SWA pilots fundamentally understand that unless ALL EMPLOYEES at SWA participate in the financial success of SWA, the pilots will not themselves be financially successful.
Tell that to the guys who voted the last contract down. Not enough money for them. The backpay check (between $20-70,000 depending on the pilot) wasn't enough either.
3) SWA pilots respect their management, and their management respects them. Pilots are generally left to do what they do best, fly airplanes. Management is generally left to do what they do best, manage a multi-billion dollar business.
Once you hit the line, you'll find the relationship to be slightly less "warm" than you describe.
But wait, you'll miraculously change your ways (beliefs) when a union makes you $86,000/year (2nd year F/O pay), won't you?
Sell-out, or hypocrite if you prefer that term.
Kinda like the guy who see's a ugly girl walking down the street and makes fun of her with his buddies, but then gets caught getting a soaker from her in the backseat of his car one night. When she's doing something for you, she's not so ugly, is she?
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