So much of this thread is theories...I'm just going to watch. Until the 15th it's pretty much all theories or an amazing conclusion.

 

Yeah, and the real fun may begin when we all start flying together, lol

 

You mean 3 to 1, as in the 3 to 1 YOUR MEC signed that is still valid???

It's debateable whether the LOA was enforceable--the McCaskill law relates to differently-unionized lab groups, the LOA was a mutually binding (and still valid) agreement between two ALPA MEC's...we could split hairs over it, but I'm thinking our MEC and the ALPA national folks definitely did a favor to the XJ folks by not even attempting to push that LOA

 

Nic...

The LOA did our pilots a favor when they had the choice to be furloughed. If you think that it had anything to do with "screwing over" Pinnacle pilots, you're just out there in conspiracy land.

Simple.... furlough, or get some seniority at a DIFFERENT company.

Right now we're the same HOLDING company.

LOA, unenforceable, not applicable, don't even want to touch it. Very disappointing that Pinnacle pilots think that it should be held over the Mesaba pilots' heads.

Many companies like ours would be lucky to get an LOA with a different pilot group for any PORTABLE LONGEVITY.

 

Just guessing, but I'd have to say you're wrong on this. Guys HIRED to fly the Q at 9L would still be way junior to 9E and XJ guys. Now, the guys/gals that BID the Q on the other hand...yes, they'd be in a -900 cockpit. The Q is pretty senior.

 

At the union meetings I've been at the ALPA attorneys have stated this LOA you keep bringing up is not valid. Circumstances are completely different. Now I don't know where some Pinnacle guys are trying to invoke some internet battle with Mesaba pilots. I don't get it.

The few guys I know that came from Express never told me they were unhappy. In fact if it was such a bad deal why are there some of them still here?

Our contract isn't the greatest, just ask us we'll tell you. We'll even point out the area's. But the the fact is If no changes were made to the XJ contract, most Captains at Pinnacle would get close to a $6 an hour raise. Our work rules are better (but I could be wrong), the FO's blended rates are a failure of a previous MEC. Insurance is a not as good as yours. Our 401k really good.

If Colgan were to just come to our contract, it would be a "WindFall". They are so bad off now that if I were them I'd just wait patiently.

Now I know that there have been some posts on how Pinnacle pilots would never have voted in our current bankruptcy LOA. Well that's good. But I DID vote for it. We gambled and I think we are all better off. Some don't agree and carry the hate. I can't help that but being upset about raises you never got doesn't seem reasonable and if you spent the money before you got it, well that's a different story.

Now I would like someone on the Pinnacle side to give me a comparison of what was so bad about our contract vs. what you guys got. I don't know facts. I really would like to know. I hope your contract is better. Educate me.

Now this is what I have extreme confidence in: I will stay in my current position and base even after contract and SLI. I suspect you will too. If there were a lot of FO's thinking they were going to get a sudden upgrade based on 7 year and higher Captains getting downgraded based on some old goodwill LOA from 10 years ago...well all I can say is that will not happen.

Good morning

 

Hey folks...No PNCL pilot living in reality expects 3-1 or anything like it. My hope is that is as fair as it can be for all involved and we all come out better. I think this is the position of most of us, but to type sane ideas in a msg board doesn't get much play.
Now, when the 15th comes, I say we all start working together...contract or not, we unite (unofficially if necessary). We can unite working under a new agreement to make PNCL the best airline it can be. OR we can unite in an ongoing struggle for the elusive fair and equitable TA. Personally, I think it's going to come down to pilots getting fed up with the games.

 

Have these Q pilots that are talking tough send me an email......I'm not hard to find in EWR. They are waaay off base if that's their position.



Anyone, and I mean anyone from any of the three groups, thinks they should vote one way or the other based on a single item is ludicrous. Everyone needs to calm down and wait to see the TA when it's ready for pilot group ratification. If everyone expects their little pet peeve item to be in the contract or it's a NO VOTE without looking at the bigger picture is simply screwing all of us. Evaluate the whole product and then make an informed decision....enough of the internet tough-guy syndrome, it's comical.

 

Wrong....unless I'm misreading what you're saying.

It must pass all 3 MEC's. Then, when it goes to pilot group ratification, it's 50% + 1 of the total group. The percentages within each separate group have nothing to do w/ it. Provided 1,501 pilots vote yes, out of 3,000 the TA vote passes.

Edit: nevermind, this has already been covered

 

Cruise ... I would shake your hand if I knew you and was around you. Couldn't have said that better myself!!

There is not a single person in the soon-to-be 3000+ pilot group that is going to get EVERYTHING they want out of this TA. Unless of course you're just extremely easy going and don't give a darn about anything... The payrates would be nice, the duty/trip rigs would be awesome, but every single pilot has to look at the bigger picture (THE CONTRACT AS A WHOLE) before voting yes/no.

I can only hope that in 8 days we get some good news and a TA to vote on!!

And here comes the cheese..... Let's stand together, 3000+ strong!