ASA/XJT JCBA: No Dual Qual!
11-18-2010, 08:56 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by SayAgain
What is Xjet's sick policy? The last Xjet js'er we had said they needed a dr's note everytime they called in sick. I do not like ASA's draconian occurence policy. To add to the list:
- the ability to drop trips without going through a chief pilot.
- the ability to drop trips without going through a chief pilot.
Oh my God are you serious? When I read this I got that "scared" feeling in the pit of my stomach. Based on some of the information I've recieved in the past 24 hours I am more afraid than ever for this merger. If we get anything less than our (XJT) trip trade system its going to be one of the biggest consessions our pilot group has ever taken. Let me run down for you how I've been bidding the past 5 years at Express. I drop every single one of my trips then build my own line based on open time (which is usually stacked with premium trips). If I lose this ability I'll honestly be about ready to quit. You're saying to even drop one trip you have to go through the chief EVERY TIME? Dear Lord we are seriously screwed.
11-18-2010, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
It's such BS that Regional guys have to put up with this. At Delta the most junior pilots gets 125 hours of sick pay every year. It's a longevity based system so at some point(8-10 years I think) you cap out at 240 hours of sick time every year. It's use it or lose it sick time.
Now, you can use 300 hours in a rolling 3 year period at 100% & once you exceed that the sick time is paid out at less then 100%, but the Delta Pilot Mutual Aid makes up the difference. Also, if I call in sick for my first trip of the month & end up being sick all month that is ONE sick call. They will just mark me off as sick until I call back and tell them I'm better. Basically I have to 'call in well'.
Sorry for the hi-jack, just wanted to throw it out there. I just can't believe these Regional management jerks get away with this crap.
Now, you can use 300 hours in a rolling 3 year period at 100% & once you exceed that the sick time is paid out at less then 100%, but the Delta Pilot Mutual Aid makes up the difference. Also, if I call in sick for my first trip of the month & end up being sick all month that is ONE sick call. They will just mark me off as sick until I call back and tell them I'm better. Basically I have to 'call in well'.
Sorry for the hi-jack, just wanted to throw it out there. I just can't believe these Regional management jerks get away with this crap.
That's almost our exact contract at ExpressJet.....
11-18-2010, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Bwatz
Now,it would be amusing to hear some of the senior captains deal with scheduling while on reserve. Those conversations would be comical.
I hear what you are saying but you have to remember that reserve during the last contract and the one before that etc, were hell compared to reserve now. Even though it sucks, people have experienced much worse. The only difference is that it wasn't for long as pilots are seeing reserve now. Reserve rules and language is not designed to be put up with for years and years.
I'm sure that most would say that if you keep your mouth shut, learn as much as you can and just be a good all around person, after 3 or 4 years you have paid your dues and should hold a line. That may not be the case with this new "super regional" concept. And I think that reserve as a CA is a choice so you can really feel bad for someone that bid to the left seat and is stuck on reserve. Considering that the financial gain/QOL isn't much at all compared to a senior FO holding an awesome line. No one truley forces you to upgrade. Let them give you and incentive to do so.
So I can see it both ways. Reserve was ten times worse in the past but we still need to increase the QOL/pay for reserve pilots given the new circumstances. There should be language on that defines how long a pilot (particularly FO) should be forced to be on reserve. After that, some kind of differential kicks in due to the fact that they have to take one for the team.
11-18-2010, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
Oh my God are you serious? When I read this I got that "scared" feeling in the pit of my stomach. Based on some of the information I've recieved in the past 24 hours I am more afraid than ever for this merger. If we get anything less than our (XJT) trip trade system its going to be one of the biggest consessions our pilot group has ever taken. Let me run down for you how I've been bidding the past 5 years at Express. I drop every single one of my trips then build my own line based on open time (which is usually stacked with premium trips). If I lose this ability I'll honestly be about ready to quit. You're saying to even drop one trip you have to go through the chief EVERY TIME? Dear Lord we are seriously screwed.
What is some of the info you have received?
11-18-2010, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
Oh my God are you serious? When I read this I got that "scared" feeling in the pit of my stomach. Based on some of the information I've recieved in the past 24 hours I am more afraid than ever for this merger. If we get anything less than our (XJT) trip trade system its going to be one of the biggest consessions our pilot group has ever taken. Let me run down for you how I've been bidding the past 5 years at Express. I drop every single one of my trips then build my own line based on open time (which is usually stacked with premium trips). If I lose this ability I'll honestly be about ready to quit. You're saying to even drop one trip you have to go through the chief EVERY TIME? Dear Lord we are seriously screwed.
11-18-2010, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by somertime32
here are a few things I suggested in the survey in no particular order:
1) a no furlough clause
2) no movement of off days at all
3) ready reserve reduced to 6 or 4 hours, 8 is just too long!
4) ability to use sick time as paid personal time, for example.....I would like next Thursday off so I schedule 3.75 of sick time to get the day off if staffing looks good. It then comes out of my sick bank and doesn't count against my attendance.
5) better pay
that is just a few things
1) a no furlough clause
2) no movement of off days at all
3) ready reserve reduced to 6 or 4 hours, 8 is just too long!
4) ability to use sick time as paid personal time, for example.....I would like next Thursday off so I schedule 3.75 of sick time to get the day off if staffing looks good. It then comes out of my sick bank and doesn't count against my attendance.
5) better pay
that is just a few things
Oh Siht, now you really have me worried!! 8 hours!!! Ours is 4 hours of ready reserve, 4 hours of pay. Simple as that. We better not settle for 1 single thing less than the best provisions of both contracts! I really hope guys vote and vote intelligently. You can always work more to make more money and get some pay back, you won't get this kind of stuff back once you lose it!
11-18-2010, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Trip7
Are you guys allowed straight drops at XJT? At ASA you can drop a trip by swapping with another trip in opentime or swapping with another line pilot's trip. All of over premium pay trips have been for straight pick ups also.
We can straight drop as many trips as we want initially (some months they won't let us take our line below 60 hours depending on staffing). So if I have a 90 hour line I can trade three 4-days for one 3-day if it doesn't take my line below 60 hours if the floor is set for that month. If no floor is set I can trade my entire month for one day trip if I wish, and then rebuild from there.
11-18-2010, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
Oh Siht, now you really have me worried!! 8 hours!!! Ours is 4 hours of ready reserve, 4 hours of pay. Simple as that. We better not settle for 1 single thing less than the best provisions of both contracts! I really hope guys vote and vote intelligently. You can always work more to make more money and get some pay back, you won't get this kind of stuff back once you lose it!
11-18-2010, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by XJT Pilot
Forget that idea dude...two years from now reserve will be a distant memory and now this policy will directly effect you and now it will be you calling BS!
That's the thing. It's no doubt that reserve sucks but we put up with it because it seems as if there is an end in sight. But what happens when you have another hiccup in the economy and no attrition combined with a HUGE pilot group, guys are stuck on reserve for 3-4 years. Yes that's just about the case now. Guys that have been at ASA for 3+ years are still on reserve with no choice other than to quit.
I'm very thankful to not be on reserve but those guys play an integral role in the staffing requirements. They are there for you when you are too fatigued or sick to work. Or maybe you just have something better to do than work like most of us. Yup, they just woke that guy up to fill in for you. Sure it's his job and we all did it. But the system is not designed for someone to have to do that crap for years an years.
Most importantly we need to do fight for things that benefit the pilot group as a whole. Yes that may mean things that are not in the best interest of you in you r current position. Gotta pay it forward sometimes.
Secondly we have to stop playing this cave game, just giving into the sob stories the company gives us that they cannot afford it. There are so many things they could change and work on to cut costs but it's so much easier to ask for concessions from this weak pilot group. That trend needs to stop.
11-18-2010, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by somertime32
What is some of the info you have received?
Info about some of the stuff in the ASA contract. We have been working for years to improve certain provisions of our contract and now we are finding out there are a lot of things we took for granted that you guys don't have anything close to. I'm not saying our contract is better in all areas cause its not, but 8 hours ready reserve? Not able to drop trips? This kind of stuff is unacceptable. I hope we can work together to bring a new contract that is up to par with where it should be.
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