ASA/XJT JCBA: No Dual Qual!
#51
Oh my God are you serious? When I read this I got that "scared" feeling in the pit of my stomach. Based on some of the information I've recieved in the past 24 hours I am more afraid than ever for this merger. If we get anything less than our (XJT) trip trade system its going to be one of the biggest consessions our pilot group has ever taken. Let me run down for you how I've been bidding the past 5 years at Express. I drop every single one of my trips then build my own line based on open time (which is usually stacked with premium trips). If I lose this ability I'll honestly be about ready to quit. You're saying to even drop one trip you have to go through the chief EVERY TIME? Dear Lord we are seriously screwed.
1. You can drop a 4 day for a 3 day if it's not a "red arrow" day. Most days this year have been red arrow days. There are not many 3, 2 or 1 day trips. You can drop 3 days of your schedule that way. Prior to our current contract, you couldn't even do that.
2. If you can find someone to pick up your trip, you can get rid of it. Good luck finding someone who will work a 4 day over Christmas, or who can pick up your trip as they are working 4 days every week themselves.
But you can not go online and drop a trip outright without swapping or finding someone to pick it up. If you guys can, we definitely need to hang on to that!
#52
Oh Siht, now you really have me worried!! 8 hours!!! Ours is 4 hours of ready reserve, 4 hours of pay. Simple as that. We better not settle for 1 single thing less than the best provisions of both contracts! I really hope guys vote and vote intelligently. You can always work more to make more money and get some pay back, you won't get this kind of stuff back once you lose it!
#53
Oh Siht, now you really have me worried!! 8 hours!!! Ours is 4 hours of ready reserve, 4 hours of pay. Simple as that. We better not settle for 1 single thing less than the best provisions of both contracts! I really hope guys vote and vote intelligently. You can always work more to make more money and get some pay back, you won't get this kind of stuff back once you lose it!
#54
Clarification
1. You can drop a 4 day for a 3 day if it's not a "red arrow" day. Most days this year have been red arrow days. There are not many 3, 2 or 1 day trips. You can drop 3 days of your schedule that way. Prior to our current contract, you couldn't even do that.
2. If you can find someone to pick up your trip, you can get rid of it. Good luck finding someone who will work a 4 day over Christmas, or who can pick up your trip as they are working 4 days every week themselves.
But you can not go online and drop a trip outright without swapping or finding someone to pick it up. If you guys can, we definitely need to hang on to that!
1. You can drop a 4 day for a 3 day if it's not a "red arrow" day. Most days this year have been red arrow days. There are not many 3, 2 or 1 day trips. You can drop 3 days of your schedule that way. Prior to our current contract, you couldn't even do that.
2. If you can find someone to pick up your trip, you can get rid of it. Good luck finding someone who will work a 4 day over Christmas, or who can pick up your trip as they are working 4 days every week themselves.
But you can not go online and drop a trip outright without swapping or finding someone to pick it up. If you guys can, we definitely need to hang on to that!
This is the kind of stuff that really scares me. All many of us have been doing for the past few years is 1 day trips, if I get a schedule of mixed 1 and 2 day trips that is a horrible month. You're saying I may have to start working all 4 days again, with maybe a 3 day if I'm lucky? I may want to start looking for another job more agressively. There's no way I'm leaving my family for 3 nights every week again. This job simply isn't worth that.
#55
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This is the kind of stuff that really scares me. All many of us have been doing for the past few years is 1 day trips, if I get a schedule of mixed 1 and 2 day trips that is a horrible month. You're saying I may have to start working all 4 days again, with maybe a 3 day if I'm lucky? I may want to start looking for another job more agressively. There's no way I'm leaving my family for 3 nights every week again. This job simply isn't worth that.
#56
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From: Delta Gear Slinger
This is the kind of stuff that really scares me. All many of us have been doing for the past few years is 1 day trips, if I get a schedule of mixed 1 and 2 day trips that is a horrible month. You're saying I may have to start working all 4 days again, with maybe a 3 day if I'm lucky? I may want to start looking for another job more agressively. There's no way I'm leaving my family for 3 nights every week again. This job simply isn't worth that.
One of my biggest concerns is getting rid of that ridiculous formula for adjusting a pilot's guarantee if he/she voluntarily drops below 75 hours. That is an unacceptable pitfall in our current contract. We need to be paid for what we freaking work!
#57
You know to your face I would tell you yeh, that's a good idea but being realistic buddy ain't gona happen because in my survey I said hell no...we all did it I know it sucks but that's where you are and im not gona sacrifice my QOL because you happened to get hired after me, guess your gona want to hold a line at my expense in December! Forget that idea dude...two years from now reserve will be a distant memory and now this policy will directly effect you and now it will be you calling BS!
What needs to be looked at r the relief lines and allowing a reserve a shot at one...no that you might get, and you would get more support from us senior guys. But to say I want a seniors pilots line or any line that doesn't fly with us and I think I speak for most who's lives would be effected ...sorry dude
What needs to be looked at r the relief lines and allowing a reserve a shot at one...no that you might get, and you would get more support from us senior guys. But to say I want a seniors pilots line or any line that doesn't fly with us and I think I speak for most who's lives would be effected ...sorry dude
PS, I probably didn't get hired after you either. I definitely won't be behind you after the merger, "dude". You might also want to invest in spell check or maybe even an English as a second language class, "buddy". See you in the parking lot.
#58
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You don't have to provide a doctor's note, however, if you do it is not counted as an occurrence. You're allowed 3 sick calls a year without a doctor's note. On the 4th, you get the nastygram in your v-file, on the 5th, a carpet dance, and the 6th a termination hearing.
Your sick bank accrues 5 hrs. a month....which MUST be preserved in the JCBA.
Your sick bank accrues 5 hrs. a month....which MUST be preserved in the JCBA.
Because they were speaking about ASA's policy and were obviously unaware of the XJT contract. Our contract is superior to most major contracts although many of them are reluctant to admit it. Secondly, yes you are correct. If you have a doctors note, you can call in sick as many times per year as you want per the policy. I know, pretty good ain't it? We must fight to preserve things like this! $2 an hour is not worth this!
#59
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From: Delta Gear Slinger
That's the thing. It's no doubt that reserve sucks but we put up with it because it seems as if there is an end in sight. But what happens when you have another hiccup in the economy and no attrition combined with a HUGE pilot group, guys are stuck on reserve for 3-4 years. Yes that's just about the case now. Guys that have been at ASA for 3+ years are still on reserve with no choice other than to quit.
However, seniority is seniority. Reserve rules need changing, but forcing a line holding pilot to fly a reserve schedule is unacceptable. I hope that the entire pilot group answers that question with a resounding "NO." We need to FIX THE PROBLEM (reserve rules) rather than placing a band-aid (line holders forced to fly reserve) on the wound.
#60
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From: 717 FO
If we get anything less than our (XJT) trip trade system its going to be one of the biggest consessions our pilot group has ever taken. Let me run down for you how I've been bidding the past 5 years at Express. I drop every single one of my trips then build my own line based on open time (which is usually stacked with premium trips). If I lose this ability I'll honestly be about ready to quit. You're saying to even drop one trip you have to go through the chief EVERY TIME? Dear Lord we are seriously screwed.
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