Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Regional
Pinnacle, Mesaba, Colgan TA >

Pinnacle, Mesaba, Colgan TA

Search

Notices
Regional Regional Airlines

Pinnacle, Mesaba, Colgan TA

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-06-2011 | 05:51 AM
  #421  
usmc-sgt's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 4,080
Likes: 42
Default

Originally Posted by cencal83406
Well the negotiators were not supposed to release anything to anyone. Confidentiality agreements were the M.O. as far as I was informed from our MEC. I would hope it was the same across the board.

Can't say I'm surprised though because I heard some information on who proposed what directly from a Mesaba negotiator.
This seems contradictory.
Reply
Old 05-06-2011 | 05:58 AM
  #422  
The Juice's Avatar
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,228
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by belliott
Nope... usually I agree with what you have to say but this time I know he is right...
Well the negotiators were not supposed to release anything to anyone. Confidentiality agreements were the M.O. as far as I was informed from our MEC. I would hope it was the same across the board.

Can't say I'm surprised though because I heard some information on who proposed what directly from a Mesaba negotiator.
There is not any more confidentiality now that it is over. Bloch himself said that arbitration hearing discussions are open for distribution to the pilot groups.
Reply
Old 05-06-2011 | 06:18 AM
  #423  
higney85's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,617
Likes: 8
From: Bus driver
Default

Originally Posted by The Juice
Higney, ask your merger committee what their final position was. Ask if they had Colgan below all Pinnacle pilots.

It's easy to say "it's all rumors" so ask your committee point blank what their final position was. It will all be out soon anyways so they might as well be open to the pilot group.

Heck, the arbitration was 100% on the record and transcripts were sent out to the committees.

If my committee wanted to staple another airline I would not be too wild about it as well so I do understand the disbelief.
Let me just say this. I have the info. To say "staple" is not accurate. To say that a 7 year 9E pilot was above a 2 year 9L pilot is more accurate.
Reply
Old 05-06-2011 | 06:33 AM
  #424  
indapit's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 147
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by higney85
Let me just say this. I have the info. To say "staple" is not accurate. To say that a 7 year 9E pilot was above a 2 year 9L pilot is more accurate.
Every Pinnacle Pilot should be ashamed of their MEC.

To put a 2 year 9E pilot SENIOR to a 19 year 9L pilot.....that is a staple.

To put EVERY SINGLE 9E pilot above EVERY SINGLE 9L pilot.....that is a staple.


Sad.....very sad.

Last edited by indapit; 05-06-2011 at 06:49 AM.
Reply
Old 05-06-2011 | 06:49 AM
  #425  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 353
Likes: 0
From: MSP CA
Default

Originally Posted by indapit
Every Pinnacle Pilot should be ashamed of their MEC.

When your committee proposes to put a 2 year 9E pilot SENIOR to a 19 year 9L pilot.....that is a staple.

When your committee proposes to put EVERY SINGLE 9E pilot above EVERY SINGLE 9L pilot.....that is a staple.


Sad.....very sad.
WoW!!! You really believe that don't you??
Reply
Old 05-06-2011 | 06:59 AM
  #426  
higney85's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,617
Likes: 8
From: Bus driver
Default

There is no group talking "staple" unless you feel anything involving DOH is a "staplejob". In that case the definition needs clarification. Keep in mind we all currently dictate our respective seniority lists on DOH. An integration exposes many different factors that require more factors to be in consideration.

It's obvious that all 3 sides have differing opinions, hence the reason as to why the committees didn't find an amicable solution. That's why we have an arbitrator. It's in his hands and while all 3 groups can have convincing arguments, he makes the call. We can all bicker, but we cannot fault each group from protecting their own seniority. We all know the importance of seniority, but there is no gains in trying to rip each other apart. From what I can see on the outside, all 3 groups can be pleased with their MEC's actions towards sli. Withiut question- all 3 MEC's worked for their individual groups. Until we see bloch's award it's all simply rumors, hopes, and fears. You can let your blood pressure boil and bash the keys into expressed emotion OR you can take a chill pill and await the list. I firmly believe that no matter what the list looks like the only person who will be 100% pleased will be #1, everyone else will have an opinion on how it could be better.
Reply
Old 05-06-2011 | 07:07 AM
  #427  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 353
Likes: 0
From: MSP CA
Default

Originally Posted by higney85
Did you read what I wrote and you wrote or is it sarcasm?

It's obvious that all 3 sides have differing opinions, hence the reason as to why the committees didn't find an amicable solution. That's why we have an arbitrator. It's in his hands and while all 3 groups can have convincing arguments, he makes the call. We can all bicker, but we cannot fault each group from protecting their own seniority. We all know the importance of seniority, but there is no gains in trying to rip each other apart. From what I can see on the outside, all 3 groups can be pleased with their MEC's actions towards sli. Withiut question- all 3 MEC's worked for their individual groups. Until we see bloch's award it's all simply rumors, hopes, and fears. You can let your blood pressure boil and bash the keys into expressed emotion OR you can take a chill pill and await the list. I firmly believe that no matter what the list looks like the only person who will be 100% pleased will be #1, everyone else will have an opinion on how it could be better.
Excellent post!! Let's just hope that some of these people that are acting like 'chickens with their heads cut off' will read it.
Reply
Old 05-06-2011 | 07:11 AM
  #428  
The Juice's Avatar
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,228
Likes: 0
Default


Let me just say this. I have the info. To say "staple" is not accurate. To say that a 7 year 9E pilot was above a 2 year 9L pilot is more accurate.
That is not correct. The final position for arbitration, the one on the official record has the Colgan #1 pilot below all pinnacle pilots. This is a FACT! It will be out for all to see soon.
Reply
Old 05-06-2011 | 07:41 AM
  #429  
Jamers's Avatar
Gets Off to Weekends
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 649
Likes: 0
From: A320 FO
Default

Originally Posted by higney85
There is no group talking "staple" unless you feel anything involving DOH is a "staplejob". In that case the definition needs clarification. Keep in mind we all currently dictate our respective seniority lists on DOH. An integration exposes many different factors that require more factors to be in consideration.

It's obvious that all 3 sides have differing opinions, hence the reason as to why the committees didn't find an amicable solution. That's why we have an arbitrator. It's in his hands and while all 3 groups can have convincing arguments, he makes the call. We can all bicker, but we cannot fault each group from protecting their own seniority. We all know the importance of seniority, but there is no gains in trying to rip each other apart. From what I can see on the outside, all 3 groups can be pleased with their MEC's actions towards sli. Withiut question- all 3 MEC's worked for their individual groups. Until we see bloch's award it's all simply rumors, hopes, and fears. You can let your blood pressure boil and bash the keys into expressed emotion OR you can take a chill pill and await the list. I firmly believe that no matter what the list looks like the only person who will be 100% pleased will be #1, everyone else will have an opinion on how it could be better.
All I know is, I'm much more proud of my (9L) negotiating committee for keeping a level head and acting like adults in all this. If I were a 9E pilot, I'd be worried that the guns blazing stapejob attitude of my negotiating committee might risk more than it rewards with Bloch. Yes each negotiating team has their pilot's best interests at heart, but arguing for absurd solutions is counterproductive. It shows a lack of unity, understanding and highlights the greed. I can scream and yell all day for a million dollars, but the absurdity of the claim deserves no rebuttal.
Reply
Old 05-06-2011 | 08:04 AM
  #430  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,356
Likes: 0
From: CRJ
Default

Originally Posted by Jamers
All I know is, I'm much more proud of my (9L) negotiating committee for keeping a level head and acting like adults in all this. If I were a 9E pilot, I'd be worried that the guns blazing stapejob attitude of my negotiating committee might risk more than it rewards with Bloch. Yes each negotiating team has their pilot's best interests at heart, but arguing for absurd solutions is counterproductive. It shows a lack of unity, understanding and highlights the greed. I can scream and yell all day for a million dollars, but the absurdity of the claim deserves no rebuttal.
And I think it's absurd that colgan pilots want relative. Why should a 2 year colgan pilot be above a 6 year pinnacle pilot. Everything is relative. I am glad this went to the arbitrator. Hopefully the arbitrator sees that mesabas and colgans growth have been at the expense of the pinnacle pilots. In the end we can't be mad at each other. The arbitrator can use all, little, or none of the negotiators recommendations. It's his final decision that matters.

Last edited by Airsupport; 05-06-2011 at 08:21 AM.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
usmc-sgt
Regional
44
03-11-2012 02:04 PM
PurpleTwinkie
Hiring News
538
09-22-2011 05:02 AM
mjarosz
Regional
128
08-26-2010 04:42 AM
Bons
Regional
24
10-08-2007 07:27 PM
mia389
Regional
41
08-06-2007 04:31 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices