This thread can have no winner.

 

DISCLAIMER: I do not work for any of these three airlines

Ken, you're just giving up too soon.

Let's add to the career expectation angle: How many of those 9L hires over the last several years could not get hired anywhere else? (ooh!)

For Eff's sake, we aren't talking about the integration of ex-mil pilots at National with ex-mil pilots from Pan Am here - these are ATP zero-to-hero checkbook checkride pilots who got a job at 600 hours with the sketchiest > 19 seat airline in the US and have spent the past few years slinging gear for captains with DUIs and no college degree. These delusional with entitlement children should read their Milton: it would be better for them to serve in heaven than reign in hell.

After all, how many of them have even *heard* of National? ;-)


Now that's how you stir the pot, b!tches.

 

In order to change an opinion, one needs facts and the ability to separate emotion. Until the award and all the supporting documentation there is no point in belaboring points. All 3 groups can make rational arguments why they "feel" they should have a better outcome. Even if someone has a "slam dunk" case, only the arbitrator gets to make the decision. Nobody can win via message board, but everyone can form enemies and subject themselves to undue stress and anger. I'm not even going to put in my $.02 until I see the list.

There is a difference is "giving up" and dealing with the situation at the correct time. Right now this is simply arguing about which regional is better, who is entitled, and what is "fair". Unfortunately we are all in the same group and trying to cut each other off at the knees. Let the process work and stay tuned for the thread when the list comes out- that is guaranteed to be ugly and interesting regardless of what the list looks like.

 

As stated, DISCLAIMER: I do not work for any of these three airlines

But I would *hope* that each group's MEC/SLI committee is actually taking these hard lines. They should be providing maximum representation for their pilots - that's why they are there. I hope that Suker and his contemporaries are thinking about what is best for their pilot group, not how being noble can ensure a position in the new world order MEC.

By the way kids (stir #2) you do realize that the post-SLI MEC will be overwhelmingly PCL, don't you? Do the math: How many LECs are there and how will they be combined? PCL > MSA pilots by number in DTW and MEM. ATL offsets MSP and CJC has only the MEC, so don't expect that there will be more than one LEC for those bases. Looks like 3-2 presuming the CJC and MSP interests agree, which seems unlikely since they are probably populated with different ends of the seniority list.

 

Bloch? Is that you?

 

I was under the impression the SLI committee members were there firstly and foremost to negotiate a fair and equitable seniority list for all three companies, it is after all one company now. Just reading some of the ideas people have on here about how this should play out, some people are going to be in for a rude awakening come May 15th.

What does PCL controlling the post SLI MEC have to do with anything and why does it matter?

 

You may not work for any of the three, but you sure seem overly interested in the companies since 16 of your last 25 posts have related to PinnaColSaba.

Okay, I'll bite. Let's assume for a minute none of us drunk, drooling, sixth grade edjumacted pieluts could never get hired anywhere else. Wouldn't that mean we have the highest career expectation at our airline? Also, these dripping wet commercials you mention were hired after Colgan announced it was buying Qs at a time when the other two were stagnant or on the verge of furlough. That being the case they too had higher career expectations.

So using your premise: "Colganites are doomed to forever jump puddles", and using the "career expectation" theory, your argument would put us short bus riders at the top of the list. The folks at the other two, being so much better than we prop heads, wouldn't care about their position as long as they got that magic 1000 hours TPIC which they could do ... although their seniority would only let them hold the crappiest lines. But who cares, they, being the gifted children, they would skip off to the mainline of their choice after 18 month leaving the rest of us stranded on the Island of Misfit Pilots.

I, on the other hand would have proposed something that would have irked all three groups equally, because in this situation, that is the only fair result.

(Yes, I know who National was. Bet'cha can't identify my avatar.)

 

What? Pease explain.

 

North Central, amigo. Inconceivable was ORD born and bred.

And the son of a Hughes Airwest pilot so it wasn't too tough.

 

That it does... all I know is that I heard DIRECTLY from a Mesaba negotiator, and have heard next-to-nothing from our negotiators. The Mesaba guy explained what he thought of Colgan, and he said that our Merger Comm had the wildest idea regarding the SLI...

When a guy who knows you work at the 9E side tells you this, you have to remain skeptical...

what's funny, on the flip side though is that The Juice is adamant that our MC had the stapler out... either he's flamebaiting, or someone told him something not quite on the level. In a way it's amusing, and not surprising... he's not going to waver in his support of his MC much like we won't...

Tell you guys what... when the list comes out the truth will be known... then you can VOTE the bastards out who lied to you (us included)... that seems like a partisan way for us line pukes to wade through the muck.