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Old 12-25-2010 | 07:21 AM
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Hoping someone can answer these two questions.

1. I hadn't noticed the seat lock when I read through the summary, but read Higney's explanation in the other thread. Is that for all airplanes and positions??? Meaning someone can't upgrade to better paying equipment for 1 year? Should they be at all concerned about staffing the left seat of the Saab?

2. I asked this one on Airlink Pilots but haven't gotten a response. Our hire dates at Pinnacle are being adjusted for SLI. Is our new hire date going to determine our yearly raise also, or will that still be the old date???
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Old 12-25-2010 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by xj200capt
It'll go more senior than that depending on where the opening's are. I want MSP 900
Sure it will, darn near every Saab Captain is now trying to get off it and over to the jet asap. When all the Saabs are gone from the traditional bases I'm betting it will be 10 + years to hold 900 CA.
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Old 12-25-2010 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SrfNFly227
Hoping someone can answer these two questions.

1. I hadn't noticed the seat lock when I read through the summary, but read Higney's explanation in the other thread. Is that for all airplanes and positions??? Meaning someone can't upgrade to better paying equipment for 1 year? Should they be at all concerned about staffing the left seat of the Saab?

2. I asked this one on Airlink Pilots but haven't gotten a response. Our hire dates at Pinnacle are being adjusted for SLI. Is our new hire date going to determine our yearly raise also, or will that still be the old date???
Call your rep, email [email protected], or wait for the roadshow. You have several options to get reliable information, this isn't really one of them.
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Old 12-25-2010 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by SrfNFly227
Hoping someone can answer these two questions.

1. I hadn't noticed the seat lock when I read through the summary, but read Higney's explanation in the other thread. Is that for all airplanes and positions??? Meaning someone can't upgrade to better paying equipment for 1 year? Should they be at all concerned about staffing the left seat of the Saab?

2. I asked this one on Airlink Pilots but haven't gotten a response. Our hire dates at Pinnacle are being adjusted for SLI. Is our new hire date going to determine our yearly raise also, or will that still be the old date???
1. When the language is officially released it will be 24.4.C. I don't even have all the sections yet and I will not pass out sections prior. What I have posted is in the TA and not clearly explained in the summary, so I put it out to try and quell some of the "theories" that folks are coming up with in their minds.

2. Yes, everything will be based on your initial class date (which is different from your hire date for only 9E pilots). This will not be in effect until the Sli. The class date is used for integration, once we are all on the same "1 List" all factors will be based on class date as if it were DOH. Your checkride date will only be a date that you remember as a thing of the past. That means pay, vacation, travel benefits, etc. will be based off class date. This will not change over (to my knowledge) until we are 1 list.

If you folks have individual questions or would like "sourced" answers reps and P2P guys have many more details than the line guys. It's not to hold anything back, but the JNC/MEC and Volunteers are working with diligence to ensure everything is done right the first time with this JCBA. We don't want a repeat of the TA1 debacle so bear with the JNC and MEC's as everything is being done the "right" way instead of a rush job. An error in language now just to get it to the pilots 2 weeks earlier can result in 5 years or more of having to live under the error.
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Old 12-25-2010 | 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
Alright, I'll bite "flame-daddy". ASA right?

Will someone from ASA please educate us poor peons on what your golden contract contains so that we can strive to be as high and mighty as the ones called "assey"?


Here I'll help you out:

Your payrates are better, not extremely better but better.



Please, please tell me what I need to be striving for since it's what you already have.
actually looking at my payscale for this TA, I will be making MORE than the Chuck Yeagers of the regional world. Guess that makes me Neil Armstrong?
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Old 12-25-2010 | 10:30 AM
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True, the DOS captain rates in this TA are a touch better most years than ASA's 11/20/10 rates from CBA 2007 on the CR2 and CR7/9...one would hope that'd be the case in a late 2010 contract vs. a 2007 contract. That said, the FO rates lag ASA, to say nothing of the ATR-72 scale @ ASA for both seats being identical to the 50 seat jet.

Again, why not tie FO rates to 60% of CA rates in this TA?
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Old 12-25-2010 | 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
I do not have XJT's current, concessionary agreement; perhaps some XJT pilot here could share it since knowledge is power and all that.

I do have the "original" XJT 2004 CBA: XJT 2004.pdf

And I also have the document from the extension of this contract in 2006 (before concessions): XJT Contract Extention LOA.doc
I have the up to date contract with all the LOAs and MOUs written into the body of the contract. I just don't know how to upload it here.
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Old 12-25-2010 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
True, the DOS captain rates in this TA are a touch better most years than ASA's 11/20/10 rates from CBA 2007 on the CR2 and CR7/9...one would hope that'd be the case in a late 2010 contract vs. a 2007 contract. That said, the FO rates lag ASA, to say nothing of the ATR-72 scale @ ASA for both seats being identical to the 50 seat jet.

Again, why not tie FO rates to 60% of CA rates in this TA?
Yeah, I did get a chance to glance at that payrate scale.

I like the FO scales better than ours, the captains are lagging behind this TA. I haven't had a chance to see if the trip and duty rigs make that much a difference for our flying.

The ATR rates are stellar, wonder if they knew that aircraft was out the door, lol
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Old 12-25-2010 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
I have the up to date contract with all the LOAs and MOUs written into the body of the contract. I just don't know how to upload it here.
You can create a free Mediafire account and upload it there...that's what I've done.
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Old 12-25-2010 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
You can create a free Mediafire account and upload it there...that's what I've done.
Not really interested in doing that. I tried to PM it to you but I can't attach it there either.
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