Avroman

Then that proposal would not be in keeping with nobody losing their positions because of the merger. Many of us junior jet captains would be pushed out in that method.

Lone Palm

Looks like somebody had to take Friday off for their weekend golf trip!

The Juice

Do not worry about what is going out on the Colgan side. I have not heard any Colgan pilots on here say "stop giving us information," so I don't think it should concern you.

If the Colgan MEC wants to give the Colgan pilots timely information, I'm all for it. Perhaps I should have not posted the message I saw, on this forum and allow you to wait to get your update from your MEC.

I still love you though....

Bartok

No, that method wouldn't cause you to lose your seat. Movement will have to come by way of vacancy. You could find yourself junior a long time though if you don't get a good seniority shake out of this SLI as guys leap frog you every vacancy.

The only thing that could move you out of your position is senior Saab guys being displaced and taking whatever their seniority can hold.

But that will happen anyway, not as a result of SLI.

Avroman

That would effectively make me a 6th year street captain that would in a resorting for seniority have me sitting as a junior, possibly even reserve, jet FO. I'd call that a hell of a seniority grab by Pinnacle.

FlyJSH

Cmon Avro, Pinnacle didn't want second year Colgan guys senior to their sixth year guys, but had no trouble putting those sixth year guys ahead of 18th year Colganites. Remember, the goal is "fair and equitable". Fair for some and equitable for none.

Bartok

Here I'll review it for you:

What is so hard about that?

usmc-sgt

We can possibly ASSume that it may not be DOH in the final decision. Cant imagine it would take 30 days + 7 + a weekend to come up with and write the narrative for DOH.

ShyGuy

OH for pete's sake, give me a break! Lets count how many 2nd and 3rd year Colgan pilots exist (hundreds and hundreds) and count how many 18-year Colganites exist. You could probably count those on one hand. Be honest. How many 18-year Colgan pilots are there? Pinnacle is absolutely right. We do not want 2 year Colgan guys senior to 6 year Pinnacle guys. Because there are hundreds and hundreds of Colgan guys that are at the 2 to 3 year mark. And if a 6-year Pinnacle guys gets ahead of an 18-year Colgan guy, how many are we really talking? From what I've read, there is one Colgan guy that is a 1992 DOH, and then the most senior Colgan guy drops to 1999 DOH. Is this true? Then, we are talking about a 12 year guy versus a 6 year guy.

"Fair and equitable" needs to consider past history. I don't think it was "fair and equitable" for our airline to magically form a holding company overnight, called Pinnacle holdings, and then told I work for Pinnacle Airlines INC. And then holdings purchased Colgan, and used Pinnacle Inc money (the 191 million NWA bankruptcy note) to buy 15 Q400s for Colgan, all the while telling us that our ALPA contract proposal would bankrupt Pinnacle Inc. To me, that was not "fair and equitable." Colgan grew exponentially while Pinnacle became stale, at our expense, and while Colgan continued to receive deliveries of new aircraft, new hires, upgrades, we downgraded twice and displaced twice.

The overwhelming majority of Colgan pilots here are 2007 or later DOH (hey, that's like almost 70% of the group), and to me, it gets a little tiring of hearing how they could be 'screwed' in an integration when they have barely 1-3 years in this industry altogether. So don't at Pinnacle, or at their proposal. Of the three proposals, I'd argue Pinnacle's was most fair, then Mesaba's DOH.

Good day.

usmc-sgt

When you say "hundreds and hundreds" of Colgan pilots are 09'/10' hires you are not entirely accurate. The vast majority of the pilots of ALL companies combined have less than 6 years service, closer to 3-4 actually.

You are a late 07' hire. What are you so upset about?

Just let it run its course.