Which regionals affected by EAS cuts?
02-18-2011 | 10:17 AM
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This still has a chance of happening when this bill gets to conference.
Look, our country doesn't have money! Do people not get this? What do you do when you don't have money to pay the bills? Drive less, cut some of the extra cell phone minutes, get rid of the premium channel from your cable, switch insurance companies, not heat/cool your place as much, use coupons to buy food, not eat out as much, etc? None of these things alone which only save a few bucks makes a difference. But when you combine ALL of them, it does make a difference. That is what this EAS is about.
Also, Article 1 Section 8 does not say ANYTHING about EAS. Don't get me wrong, I want congress to stop subsiding farms and EVERYTHING else for that is not called for in the constitution.
There are many good charitable organizations that take care of people in need like Angel flight. The constitution was not meant to provide education and healthcare for everyone, it was meant for people to have personal responsibility to take care of themselves with minimal intervention from government. And if you need help, your fellow neighbor is there to help.
Look, our country doesn't have money! Do people not get this? What do you do when you don't have money to pay the bills? Drive less, cut some of the extra cell phone minutes, get rid of the premium channel from your cable, switch insurance companies, not heat/cool your place as much, use coupons to buy food, not eat out as much, etc? None of these things alone which only save a few bucks makes a difference. But when you combine ALL of them, it does make a difference. That is what this EAS is about.
Also, Article 1 Section 8 does not say ANYTHING about EAS. Don't get me wrong, I want congress to stop subsiding farms and EVERYTHING else for that is not called for in the constitution.
There are many good charitable organizations that take care of people in need like Angel flight. The constitution was not meant to provide education and healthcare for everyone, it was meant for people to have personal responsibility to take care of themselves with minimal intervention from government. And if you need help, your fellow neighbor is there to help.
YouTube - Obama Budget Cuts Visualization
Cutting $200M doesn't even make a dent.
02-18-2011 | 10:24 AM
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Here's some Great Lakes EAS cities to ponder:
Visalia, CA (45 minutes from Fresno)
Merced, CA (1 hour from Fresno)
Pueblo, CO (45 minutes from Colorado Springs)
Kingman AZ (less than 2 hours from Flagstaff and Las Vegas)
Cortez, CO (less than an hour from Durango)
Farmington, NM (1 hour from Durango)
Liberal, KS and Dodge City, KS (each about 1 hour from Garden City, KS...just combine the three and make it one EAS route)
Great Bend, KS and Hays, KS (an hour from each other. Combine)
The MT cities are going to Gulfstream but let's look at those too:
Wolf Point, MT and Glasgow, MT (less than 1 hour from each other. Combine)
Williston, ND and Sidney, MT and Glendive, MT (Sidney being the mid point, it's 1 hour from Williston and 1 hour from Glendive. Have those people drive to Sidney and install something more than an NDB there with all the newfound money! Williston might not be EAS and if not, just combine Sidney and Glendive)
Laramie, WY (1 hour from Cheyenne, WY. Combine)'
or
Cheyenne, WY (1 hour from Denver)
I could go on but I have stuff to do. Even if I agreed with the intention of the EAS program, there's no way I could agree with the implementation of it. This stuff is just unnecessary. If these people need to get somewhere, they can hop in their cars and drive an hour to the nearest airport with regional or major airline service, or they can move. Nobody is forcing them to live in the middle of nowhere.
Visalia, CA (45 minutes from Fresno)
Merced, CA (1 hour from Fresno)
Pueblo, CO (45 minutes from Colorado Springs)
Kingman AZ (less than 2 hours from Flagstaff and Las Vegas)
Cortez, CO (less than an hour from Durango)
Farmington, NM (1 hour from Durango)
Liberal, KS and Dodge City, KS (each about 1 hour from Garden City, KS...just combine the three and make it one EAS route)
Great Bend, KS and Hays, KS (an hour from each other. Combine)
The MT cities are going to Gulfstream but let's look at those too:
Wolf Point, MT and Glasgow, MT (less than 1 hour from each other. Combine)
Williston, ND and Sidney, MT and Glendive, MT (Sidney being the mid point, it's 1 hour from Williston and 1 hour from Glendive. Have those people drive to Sidney and install something more than an NDB there with all the newfound money! Williston might not be EAS and if not, just combine Sidney and Glendive)
Laramie, WY (1 hour from Cheyenne, WY. Combine)'
or
Cheyenne, WY (1 hour from Denver)
I could go on but I have stuff to do. Even if I agreed with the intention of the EAS program, there's no way I could agree with the implementation of it. This stuff is just unnecessary. If these people need to get somewhere, they can hop in their cars and drive an hour to the nearest airport with regional or major airline service, or they can move. Nobody is forcing them to live in the middle of nowhere.
02-18-2011 | 10:27 AM
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$200M might seem like a lot of money to you or I, but in reality:
YouTube - Obama Budget Cuts Visualization
Cutting $200M doesn't even make a dent.
YouTube - Obama Budget Cuts Visualization
Cutting $200M doesn't even make a dent.
02-18-2011 | 10:48 AM
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Yeah, I am all for reducing waste and stupid EAS routes.
But it still only saves a little less in an enitre year than what we spend in Afraqistan between breakfast and lunch every day in 2011. (est. $171 billion=$468.5m PER DAY)
Just sayin
But it still only saves a little less in an enitre year than what we spend in Afraqistan between breakfast and lunch every day in 2011. (est. $171 billion=$468.5m PER DAY)
Just sayin
02-18-2011 | 10:53 AM
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Have you ever actually lived in a poverty-stricken town with EAS service and realize how important it is to that town to be connected to the the national air transport system?
Have you ever flown tragically sick kids out of their small isolated towns to medical care in the "big city" that they can't reach by car for a price they can afford?
You probably haven't flown local entrepreneurs who rely on EAS to meet potential investors, business partners, and clients further afield, either.
This irks me to no end. When are we as Americans going to stop thinking about how to screw the other American and realize we are only shooting each other in the back? We sit isolated on our big continent... guess what- it's a big, populated world. Americans helping Americans will make this country stronger. Where is our loyalty to each other, as Americans?
And learn some math. If you think this is an "insane" waste of money you have little perspective.
Have you ever flown tragically sick kids out of their small isolated towns to medical care in the "big city" that they can't reach by car for a price they can afford?
You probably haven't flown local entrepreneurs who rely on EAS to meet potential investors, business partners, and clients further afield, either.
This irks me to no end. When are we as Americans going to stop thinking about how to screw the other American and realize we are only shooting each other in the back? We sit isolated on our big continent... guess what- it's a big, populated world. Americans helping Americans will make this country stronger. Where is our loyalty to each other, as Americans?
And learn some math. If you think this is an "insane" waste of money you have little perspective.
02-18-2011 | 12:39 PM
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$200M might seem like a lot of money to you or I, but in reality:
YouTube - Obama Budget Cuts Visualization
Cutting $200M doesn't even make a dent.
YouTube - Obama Budget Cuts Visualization
Cutting $200M doesn't even make a dent.
They should cut defense spending as well.
02-18-2011 | 12:44 PM
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Have you ever actually lived in a poverty-stricken town with EAS service and realize how important it is to that town to be connected to the the national air transport system?
If one is truly "poverty stricken", he probably should not be traveling.... unless it is to move for a job in which case, he probably will want to take his car with him.
Have you ever flown tragically sick kids out of their small isolated towns to medical care in the "big city" that they can't reach by car for a price they can afford?
Yes, I have. I did it for six years. They were all critically ill and required more care than they could have received on 1900, so they wouldn't fly on an EAS aircraft. If you are talking about "walking wounded" (for lack of a better term) who are going for treatment, it would be cheaper to hire an ambulance to drive them to the next big city when they need it rather than running a 1900 twice a day, every day.
You probably haven't flown local entrepreneurs who rely on EAS to meet potential investors, business partners, and clients further afield, either.
I can almost buy this one.... except a guy only starts a business once so he doesn't need daily service forever. Business partners, if they are separated, are either working satellite offices or have chosen to live apart in BFE. If you insist on subsidizing these entrepreneurs' travel, then at least park the 1900, buy a 172 and put a 500 Commercial ASEL pilot on call: it'll be a heck of a lot cheaper, and a low time guy will get a job.
This irks me to no end. When are we as Americans going to stop thinking about how to screw the other American and realize we are only shooting each other in the back? We sit isolated on our big continent... guess what- it's a big, populated world. Americans helping Americans will make this country stronger. Where is our loyalty to each other, as Americans?
My loyalty is to my fellow Americans and their children is to push for a more fiscally responsible government. There is only so much money to spend, once it is gone, our leaders should stop spending.
And learn some math. If you think this is an "insane" waste of money you have little perspective.
True, EAS money is just a drop in the barrel. But enough drops makes a flood. And, if it were up to you, is EAS really the best place to spend that money? My guess is you would have a more important place to spend it.... I know I would.
If one is truly "poverty stricken", he probably should not be traveling.... unless it is to move for a job in which case, he probably will want to take his car with him.
Have you ever flown tragically sick kids out of their small isolated towns to medical care in the "big city" that they can't reach by car for a price they can afford?
Yes, I have. I did it for six years. They were all critically ill and required more care than they could have received on 1900, so they wouldn't fly on an EAS aircraft. If you are talking about "walking wounded" (for lack of a better term) who are going for treatment, it would be cheaper to hire an ambulance to drive them to the next big city when they need it rather than running a 1900 twice a day, every day.
You probably haven't flown local entrepreneurs who rely on EAS to meet potential investors, business partners, and clients further afield, either.
I can almost buy this one.... except a guy only starts a business once so he doesn't need daily service forever. Business partners, if they are separated, are either working satellite offices or have chosen to live apart in BFE. If you insist on subsidizing these entrepreneurs' travel, then at least park the 1900, buy a 172 and put a 500 Commercial ASEL pilot on call: it'll be a heck of a lot cheaper, and a low time guy will get a job.
This irks me to no end. When are we as Americans going to stop thinking about how to screw the other American and realize we are only shooting each other in the back? We sit isolated on our big continent... guess what- it's a big, populated world. Americans helping Americans will make this country stronger. Where is our loyalty to each other, as Americans?
My loyalty is to my fellow Americans and their children is to push for a more fiscally responsible government. There is only so much money to spend, once it is gone, our leaders should stop spending.
And learn some math. If you think this is an "insane" waste of money you have little perspective.
True, EAS money is just a drop in the barrel. But enough drops makes a flood. And, if it were up to you, is EAS really the best place to spend that money? My guess is you would have a more important place to spend it.... I know I would.
02-18-2011 | 12:49 PM
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02-18-2011 | 12:56 PM
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I really have an issue with the "if they don't like it in East Bumblescrew they should just move" line.
It's very easy to wave a hand and tell other people that they are "free to move." People may not want to move for whatever reasons they may have. Home is home. It's incredibly expensive to move. There's a sense of place, a support network, maybe that family has been there for generations, or a myriad of other reasons. If a local entrepreneur starts up a business in East Bumblescrew, and he wants to stay there and help improve his community and hire local people in his far-flung town, that in it's own small way will help the nation.
So yes, I'm ok with my tax dollars keeping some rural communities connected to the national air network. Sure, as with every issue there are some places that maybe don't "deserve" service due to proximity of other towns with dependable service, but there are sure a lot of towns that do deserve it. I've been in and out of all sorts of EAS towns (no longer, however), and it was an appreciated service.
Regardless, hypothesizing that families should "just move" as if it's as easy and painless as eating cherry pie is spoken from an envious position of privilege and security or a position of social isolation.
Good conversation and good points. Good weekend, everyone.
02-18-2011 | 02:33 PM
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I really have an issue with the "if they don't like it in East Bumblescrew they should just move" line.
It's very easy to wave a hand and tell other people that they are "free to move." People may not want to move for whatever reasons they may have. Home is home. It's incredibly expensive to move. There's a sense of place, a support network, maybe that family has been there for generations, or a myriad of other reasons. If a local entrepreneur starts up a business in East Bumblescrew, and he wants to stay there and help improve his community and hire local people in his far-flung town, that in it's own small way will help the nation.
Regardless, hypothesizing that families should "just move" as if it's as easy and painless as eating cherry pie is spoken from an envious position of privilege and security or a position of social isolation.
Good conversation and good points. Good weekend, everyone.
It's very easy to wave a hand and tell other people that they are "free to move." People may not want to move for whatever reasons they may have. Home is home. It's incredibly expensive to move. There's a sense of place, a support network, maybe that family has been there for generations, or a myriad of other reasons. If a local entrepreneur starts up a business in East Bumblescrew, and he wants to stay there and help improve his community and hire local people in his far-flung town, that in it's own small way will help the nation.
Regardless, hypothesizing that families should "just move" as if it's as easy and painless as eating cherry pie is spoken from an envious position of privilege and security or a position of social isolation.
Good conversation and good points. Good weekend, everyone.
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