ATP Law Petition
03-01-2012 | 06:58 PM
#22
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Otherwise, when he does get hired at a crap regional with no time... about two months in he'll be saying "Hey, I thought this was supposed to be a good job...?"
03-01-2012 | 07:11 PM
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From: Light Chop
Which goes to the next point:
So put the hour minimums wherever they want, still wouldn't have prevented 3407, they both exceeded 1500 hours. As far as I can tell, 100% of the Part 121 crashes have been with pilots with 1500+ hours and an ATP acting as the PIC. Given the ATP can be done rather quickly in a PA44 for not much money, the requirement for an ATP is a big eh to me.
Until we clean up training and standardize it like it should be nothing is truly getting fixed. 1500 hour minimum? Go for it, don't care, won't feel any safer just because the FO had 1500 hours when they were hired and given the current shape of the pilot market and the current trend to park 50 seaters (albeit to grow larger but yet scope limited fleets) I don't think it's going to make much of a difference.
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As to this petition, NO. I wouldn't want a pilot who didn't want to be a CFI. That's a red flag to me.
03-01-2012 | 07:23 PM
#26
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From: Doing what you do, for less.
I see this from time to time and have to disagree. No pilot group will allow their company to drive up wages to attract new hires. They won't have a problem attracting new hires.
Which goes to the next point:
This isn't always a good thing. I spent a few days in a hospital with my son, rarely found an American doctor or nurse that understood or could communicate clearly what the issue was. I fear the day when you have to go overseas to find pilots who meet a logbook requirement. That said, 1500 isn't hard to meet anymore.
So put the hour minimums wherever they want, still wouldn't have prevented 3407, they both exceeded 1500 hours. As far as I can tell, 100% of the Part 121 crashes have been with pilots with 1500+ hours and an ATP acting as the PIC. Given the ATP can be done rather quickly in a PA44 for not much money, the requirement for an ATP is a big eh to me.
Until we clean up training and standardize it like it should be nothing is truly getting fixed. 1500 hour minimum? Go for it, don't care, won't feel any safer just because the FO had 1500 hours when they were hired and given the current shape of the pilot market and the current trend to park 50 seaters (albeit to grow larger but yet scope limited fleets) I don't think it's going to make much of a difference.
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As to this petition, NO. I wouldn't want a pilot who didn't want to be a CFI. That's a red flag to me.
Which goes to the next point:
This isn't always a good thing. I spent a few days in a hospital with my son, rarely found an American doctor or nurse that understood or could communicate clearly what the issue was. I fear the day when you have to go overseas to find pilots who meet a logbook requirement. That said, 1500 isn't hard to meet anymore.
So put the hour minimums wherever they want, still wouldn't have prevented 3407, they both exceeded 1500 hours. As far as I can tell, 100% of the Part 121 crashes have been with pilots with 1500+ hours and an ATP acting as the PIC. Given the ATP can be done rather quickly in a PA44 for not much money, the requirement for an ATP is a big eh to me.
Until we clean up training and standardize it like it should be nothing is truly getting fixed. 1500 hour minimum? Go for it, don't care, won't feel any safer just because the FO had 1500 hours when they were hired and given the current shape of the pilot market and the current trend to park 50 seaters (albeit to grow larger but yet scope limited fleets) I don't think it's going to make much of a difference.
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As to this petition, NO. I wouldn't want a pilot who didn't want to be a CFI. That's a red flag to me.
It creates a filter that weeds out those who don't really have the skill and natural ability to be an airline pilot... but are able to buy their way through enough CRJ transition courses to get into an RJ... or tough it out long enough and squeak by that 250 hour mark and get to an airline.
It takes an entirely different kind of person to be able to accumulate 1500 hours. It means that they've successfully instructed, flown commercially in some other manner, and plain worked hard and been successful at what they've attempted. A lot of people who got hired at 250 hours but are on the weaker end of the spectrum, even though they may have thousands now, probably wouldn't have been able to pull off getting to 1500 hours on their own. They would've been weeded out in the process and never ended up in that RJ cockpit. The 1500 hour pilots in the future will probably, overall, be of much higher caliber than the 1500 hour pilots we have flying RJs today.
03-01-2012 | 07:39 PM
#27
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From: Unemployed 121 Captain
Yeah! Because it's been so awesome for everyone in the past! YGBSM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you're "recently one of those low-timer CFI types", you are too young and inexperienced to know anything about the past. Readers Digest version; in the late 80's ASA and Comair had this great idea called Pay for Training (buy a job) for 250hr wonders whose ink had not even dried on their tickets. We used to have paper certificates. This buying a job and working for $10 an hour killed this industry at the Regional level and did little for the Majors. Then in the mid 90's, Delta's Senior pilots rammed through a contract for a huge pay raise that gave the RJ's to Comair and ASA and others at the expense of Junior Delta pilots, who got pink slips instead of a pay raise.
Where do I sign?
Heck, I was recently one of those low-timer CFI types. And I STILL thought this legislation was a fantastic idea. Granted, I'm no longer in a CFI position... but the point stands.
Where do I sign?
Heck, I was recently one of those low-timer CFI types. And I STILL thought this legislation was a fantastic idea. Granted, I'm no longer in a CFI position... but the point stands.
03-01-2012 | 07:47 PM
#28
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From: Rollin' Down tha 405
Full disclosure here: I was hired into a Brazilian jet at 705TT/97ME
My college plan (circa 2003) was to get in, get trained, drink, flight instruct in good ole IL and graduate in 2007. After graduation head back to the Left coast and CFI for a couple years then head over to SKW whenever they started hiring.
Well lookee what happened....the hiring boom of 2006-08... I had the opportunity to go to a crappy regional asap or go home and CFI more (had been CFIing for two years at the time). Impatient me jumped at the chance to ski on the water.....in retrospect I should have gone home and enjoyed the In-N-Out and sun.
Two furloughs later and here my black ass sits....in LA....CFI-ing (well the first furlough...not the second.....so far....) waiting for SKW to tell me I'm good enough.
Moral of the story...do it right the first time kid.
For-Shizzle.
My college plan (circa 2003) was to get in, get trained, drink, flight instruct in good ole IL and graduate in 2007. After graduation head back to the Left coast and CFI for a couple years then head over to SKW whenever they started hiring.
Well lookee what happened....the hiring boom of 2006-08... I had the opportunity to go to a crappy regional asap or go home and CFI more (had been CFIing for two years at the time). Impatient me jumped at the chance to ski on the water.....in retrospect I should have gone home and enjoyed the In-N-Out and sun.
Two furloughs later and here my black ass sits....in LA....CFI-ing (well the first furlough...not the second.....so far....) waiting for SKW to tell me I'm good enough.
Moral of the story...do it right the first time kid.
For-Shizzle.
03-01-2012 | 08:03 PM
#30
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From: Unemployed 121 Captain
Full disclosure here: I was hired into a Brazilian jet at 705TT/97ME
My college plan (circa 2003) was to get in, get trained, drink, flight instruct in good ole IL and graduate in 2007. After graduation head back to the Left coast and CFI for a couple years then head over to SKW whenever they started hiring.
Well lookee what happened....the hiring boom of 2006-08... I had the opportunity to go to a crappy regional asap or go home and CFI more (had been CFIing for two years at the time). Impatient me jumped at the chance to ski on the water.....in retrospect I should have gone home and enjoyed the In-N-Out and sun.
Two furloughs later and here my black ass sits....in LA....CFI-ing (well the first furlough...not the second.....so far....) waiting for SKW to tell me I'm good enough.
Moral of the story...do it right the first time kid.
For-Shizzle.
My college plan (circa 2003) was to get in, get trained, drink, flight instruct in good ole IL and graduate in 2007. After graduation head back to the Left coast and CFI for a couple years then head over to SKW whenever they started hiring.
Well lookee what happened....the hiring boom of 2006-08... I had the opportunity to go to a crappy regional asap or go home and CFI more (had been CFIing for two years at the time). Impatient me jumped at the chance to ski on the water.....in retrospect I should have gone home and enjoyed the In-N-Out and sun.
Two furloughs later and here my black ass sits....in LA....CFI-ing (well the first furlough...not the second.....so far....) waiting for SKW to tell me I'm good enough.
Moral of the story...do it right the first time kid.
For-Shizzle.
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