ATP Law Petition
03-06-2012 | 01:11 PM
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03-06-2012 | 01:42 PM
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If it is an amendment to do away with the 700 hour exemption for aviation school grads that would be a positive change.
03-06-2012 | 01:46 PM
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The idea of a petition like this is moronic. For decades, pilots have been getting well over the required flight time by the NPRM to get into a 121 cockpit. It can be done by those willing to work hard.
A 121 FO seat should be filled by someone who is already an experienced pilot. A 250 hour commercial certificate holder is not an experienced pilot no matter how much they think they are. This isn't an entry level position and the law is finally changing to reflect that. Plus it serves as a way to weed out the pilots with an actual drive, talent, and ability from those who just had enough money to buy their way through the minimum required training. I couldn't be more happy and relieved. This is one of the best things to happen to professional pilots and the travelling public in a long time.
Plus, for all of us career wise, this finally creates a barrier to entry to the profession that will hopefully put supply/demand on our side and drive up wages. Doctors and lawyers aren't all paid a lot because thats what they're all worth... many are paid that much because the AMA and Bar Associations have made it hard to become one. They control the supply. This is a supply control for pilots.
I say we all start a petition to counter the original poster's short-sighted, immature, selfish, and harmful petition.
A 121 FO seat should be filled by someone who is already an experienced pilot. A 250 hour commercial certificate holder is not an experienced pilot no matter how much they think they are. This isn't an entry level position and the law is finally changing to reflect that. Plus it serves as a way to weed out the pilots with an actual drive, talent, and ability from those who just had enough money to buy their way through the minimum required training. I couldn't be more happy and relieved. This is one of the best things to happen to professional pilots and the travelling public in a long time.
Plus, for all of us career wise, this finally creates a barrier to entry to the profession that will hopefully put supply/demand on our side and drive up wages. Doctors and lawyers aren't all paid a lot because thats what they're all worth... many are paid that much because the AMA and Bar Associations have made it hard to become one. They control the supply. This is a supply control for pilots.
I say we all start a petition to counter the original poster's short-sighted, immature, selfish, and harmful petition.
From his original post do we have ANY idea what the original posters petition is about?
03-06-2012 | 01:54 PM
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I think the OP removed it after getting such a negative response.
The OP was complaining about the increase in hours requirements.
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03-06-2012 | 03:25 PM
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I was a CFI before getting hired at a regional. I learned more and gained more experience in my first few months instructing than in the time it took me to get my Cfi. You learn how to react quickly and without thinking instructing. I think every pilot should instruct for at least six months and sign off least one student pilot to solo. I am all for the ATP requirement. I'm glad that the FAA is actually requiring the ATP and not just 1500 hours. There is a difference in 1000-1500 flights of 1 to 1 1/2 hours and 1200 or more hours instructing or flying corporate, charter, boxes and the like. There was a guy in my new hire class at the regional that got his commercial multi TWO, yes TWO DAYS, before ground school started. Passengers would refuse to fly if they knew that.
03-06-2012 | 07:23 PM
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And I'd still like to know how these aviation grads are going to have 500 hours of cross country with only 750 total. I highly doubt they are flying 50 miles to do a lazy 8 or chandelle's...
03-06-2012 | 07:41 PM
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It isn't the consumer's fault. People still drove when gas prices were near $5.00. Of course the consumer pays as little as they can. I buy the cheapest gas I can and I won't pay $2 more per gallon of milk for the same thing either at the grocery store. The AIRLINES need to quit undercutting each other by a buck here and there.
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03-06-2012 | 07:44 PM
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The 50nm requirement only applies to the aeronautical experience requirement when applying for a private, instrument and/or commercial.
03-06-2012 | 08:03 PM
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03-06-2012 | 08:06 PM
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Think Brotha:
To the OP.
I know you're feeling wronged by this "injustice", but put it in perspective. If you truly are a 19 yr old "wonder kid" with a bachelors and lots of hours, that's great. You're in a good position.
But this law helps the entire profession. Google and search these forums on hiring mins and pay, the last 10 years have been sad.
This law is a right step in the direction for a career, everybody's, not just yours.
If you consider yourself a "Professional Aviator", stop your petition, now, today.
Otherwise, press on, fight the righteous fight. But pray I don't find out who you are, because the only thing that weighs heavier than a positive recommendation, is a negative one.
I know you're feeling wronged by this "injustice", but put it in perspective. If you truly are a 19 yr old "wonder kid" with a bachelors and lots of hours, that's great. You're in a good position.
But this law helps the entire profession. Google and search these forums on hiring mins and pay, the last 10 years have been sad.
This law is a right step in the direction for a career, everybody's, not just yours.
If you consider yourself a "Professional Aviator", stop your petition, now, today.
Otherwise, press on, fight the righteous fight. But pray I don't find out who you are, because the only thing that weighs heavier than a positive recommendation, is a negative one.
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