ATP Law Petition
03-06-2012 | 08:15 PM
#131
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I don't know if this will dramatically affect safety because accidents happen, even with pilots with 10's of thousands of hours. I'm not paid to figure out the statistics of airline accidents vs pilot flight time.
But what I'm more in support of is the additional barrier to entry in the right seat.
Airlines, specifically regional operators, see no value in your flight time and experience as a pilot. Thus, the carrier will find low time pilots willing to work for nothing. This new requirement, which has to go into effect by August of 2013, right, will add value to a pilots flight experience. This is a great thing! Look at flight attendants, there are very little requirements to become one and they're a dime a dozen.
These new barriers for pilots will sort of make it like becoming a doctor: you go to school, pay your dues while gaining experience during internship and residency programs, become licensed, gain more experience and become board certified, then you make lots of money because theres value for your time and experience that wasn't quickly and easily attained.
But what I'm more in support of is the additional barrier to entry in the right seat.
Airlines, specifically regional operators, see no value in your flight time and experience as a pilot. Thus, the carrier will find low time pilots willing to work for nothing. This new requirement, which has to go into effect by August of 2013, right, will add value to a pilots flight experience. This is a great thing! Look at flight attendants, there are very little requirements to become one and they're a dime a dozen.
These new barriers for pilots will sort of make it like becoming a doctor: you go to school, pay your dues while gaining experience during internship and residency programs, become licensed, gain more experience and become board certified, then you make lots of money because theres value for your time and experience that wasn't quickly and easily attained.
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03-06-2012 | 08:56 PM
#134
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The 750 hour requirement applies to pilots with military flight experience.
What's the percentage of Commercial Pilots that had at least 500 hours of cross country time when they reached the 1000 hour mark and were working as a CFI at the time?
Maybe it's not as simple as 1000 hours, an FAA ATP course and a degree from Embry Riddle?
03-06-2012 | 09:02 PM
#135
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Just for Mr. know everything pilots out there who have been suffering lot till they got their dream 121 job after couple thousands hours and supporting the 1500 Hrs rule. Please be advised that all rest of world airlines do hire 250 wonders and give them great training. These guys fly 737's at these minimums and they upgrade to 777 FO when they reach 2000-2500. They can also do well when emergency happens. See link below and let's think what is wrong with our aviation training here in US. Sad but true neither training departments nor experienced captains wants to share experience and spend extra time training new pilots. Everyone shall set back and relax and new pilots shall suffer for few years paying dues till they hold a line at 121 carrier for freaking peanuts of pay scale. This is ridiculous. Working as CFI may help build some hours but doesn't help learning SOP, CRM, V1 Cuts, Pressurization and emergency descents, TCAS conflict, Dutch rolls, manual reversions, systems, Engine failures, separations, fire....etc
Transatlantic jet diverts to Shannon as engine fails | Irish Examiner
Transatlantic jet diverts to Shannon as engine fails | Irish Examiner
Here's some info about the Multi Crew License per the JAA
JAA to adopt multi-crew licence
This is not a good thing for aviation. Many of the international students trained in the Phoenix area are being trained as career first officers. They have zero to nill solo time as most of the their training is accomplished with an instructor. Sure, they can go through an emergency checklist but when faced with something outside of the checklists they freeze up.
An actual personal experience; a Chinese student training on a King Air couldn't tell the instructor what the name of a certain light located on the tail of the aircraft was. Answer: the beacon light....
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03-06-2012 | 09:11 PM
#136
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I was a CFI before getting hired at a regional. I learned more and gained more experience in my first few months instructing than in the time it took me to get my Cfi. You learn how to react quickly and without thinking instructing. I think every pilot should instruct for at least six months and sign off least one student pilot to solo. I am all for the ATP requirement. I'm glad that the FAA is actually requiring the ATP and not just 1500 hours. There is a difference in 1000-1500 flights of 1 to 1 1/2 hours and 1200 or more hours instructing or flying corporate, charter, boxes and the like. There was a guy in my new hire class at the regional that got his commercial multi TWO, yes TWO DAYS, before ground school started. Passengers would refuse to fly if they knew that.
03-06-2012 | 09:28 PM
#137
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From: the correct seat
It's better that they do not know.
03-06-2012 | 09:51 PM
#139
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Here's some info about the Multi Crew License per the JAA
JAA to adopt multi-crew licence
This is not a good thing for aviation. Many of the international students trained in the Phoenix area are being trained as career first officers. They have zero to nill solo time as most of the their training is accomplished with an instructor. Sure, they can go through an emergency checklist but when faced with something outside of the checklists they freeze up.
An actual personal experience; a Chinese student training on a King Air couldn't tell the instructor what the name of a certain light located on the tail of the aircraft was. Answer: the beacon light....
JAA to adopt multi-crew licence
This is not a good thing for aviation. Many of the international students trained in the Phoenix area are being trained as career first officers. They have zero to nill solo time as most of the their training is accomplished with an instructor. Sure, they can go through an emergency checklist but when faced with something outside of the checklists they freeze up.
An actual personal experience; a Chinese student training on a King Air couldn't tell the instructor what the name of a certain light located on the tail of the aircraft was. Answer: the beacon light....
03-06-2012 | 10:19 PM
#140
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No thanks, I'd rather take working as a line guy earning my CFIs without debt than to owe an airline $70,000+ and over 5 years of my life per the contract (I think 5 years is a conservative guess for ab initio programs). Plus, if they lay you off you're still contractually obligated to them so you can't find another flying job.
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