ATP Law Petition
04-25-2012 | 01:13 PM
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The problem is if you quit, are fired or were laid off , even with all this experience you start off at the BOTTOM of the pile. With 1st year pay and on probation. Do you think the doctor gets treated like this. What about the Union worker for the Auto Industry, carpentry ,etc do they start at the BOTTOM ? It's time all pilots in every union get a National Senority Number. That follows you to your new job. The FAA wants us to get all these rating, have a current medical and now 1500 hours/ATP for crap pay. The 1500 Hours reg will stay, buy the National Senority # can change. It won't help me, but it would help the younger pilots looking at this profession. It's time we all stop eating our own and work a one group.
04-25-2012 | 01:31 PM
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A National Seniority list is not fair, and I'm very much against it. If someone makes a personal decision to stay at a Regional because they don't want to lose weekends off, or lose seniority, or lose vacation, or go back to reserve, or start at the bottom they should not be able to just slide in above someone who did the work and took the risk to move on.
Oh wait, we only got a few thousand lbs of fuel and not enough to get to our destination, but what the hell, let's take the risk!
04-25-2012 | 01:37 PM
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Explain how being a regional CA is not "doing the work"? Why does working for a carrier flying a little bit bigger airplane mean more street-cred? Talk about entitlement....People are not moving on not because of the "risk", because they are not stupid and realize that the industry is broken. Why should anyone be rewarded for making stupid decisions?
04-25-2012 | 01:41 PM
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WRT "doing the work" I'm talking about prepping for the interview, not flying airplanes. I fail to see how leaving a low paying, no future regional for a much better paying career Major/Legacy is a "stupid decision" Portable seniority simply does not work in this industry.
04-25-2012 | 01:44 PM
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Because they are consolidating, because you can lose your seniority at said major so fast, because you might end up at some other regional when they furlough, because there's a good chance you'll be stuck as a major FO, and depending on which one, maybe not even get paid as much as a regional CA, and so on...
04-25-2012 | 03:43 PM
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Hello all, I know I am bringing this thread back to life...but before it's too late, which I believe the comment period closes the end of April...
I just started reading the comments made on the 1500/ATP Rule (FAA–2010–0100). So far, out of the sampling of roughly 1600 comments, I see mostly;
1) Flight Schools that *swear* they are impartial but mysteriously do NOT support the 1500 hour rule or
2) young pilots with less than 1500 hours who think they know everything and of course, do NOT support the 1500 hour rule.
I have never made a comment before, but here is the process;
1) go to Regulations.gov
2) in the blue search window type in FAA–2010–0100
3) under Title should be "Pilot Certification and Qualification Requirements for Air Carrier "
look to the far right where it says "Submit a Comment"
4) the rest is self explanatory
I just started reading the comments made on the 1500/ATP Rule (FAA–2010–0100). So far, out of the sampling of roughly 1600 comments, I see mostly;
1) Flight Schools that *swear* they are impartial but mysteriously do NOT support the 1500 hour rule or
2) young pilots with less than 1500 hours who think they know everything and of course, do NOT support the 1500 hour rule.
I have never made a comment before, but here is the process;
1) go to Regulations.gov
2) in the blue search window type in FAA–2010–0100
3) under Title should be "Pilot Certification and Qualification Requirements for Air Carrier "
look to the far right where it says "Submit a Comment"
4) the rest is self explanatory
Just got my CFI 2 days ago and got a job today. Very excited to start instructing and actually learn something.
04-25-2012 | 03:52 PM
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Not all of us "low time" guys are complaining about the new rule. I think it can only help in the long run. Then again, I'm 37, so I guess my perspective is a little different than some.
Just got my CFI 2 days ago and got a job today. Very excited to start instructing and actually learn something.
Just got my CFI 2 days ago and got a job today. Very excited to start instructing and actually learn something.
I can just see it; "I took the super tanker first mate college course, so I am just going to skip working my way up the ranks in smaller ships!".
04-25-2012 | 04:09 PM
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Hello all, I know I am bringing this thread back to life...but before it's too late, which I believe the comment period closes the end of April...
I just started reading the comments made on the 1500/ATP Rule (FAA–2010–0100). So far, out of the sampling of roughly 1600 comments, I see mostly;
1) Flight Schools that *swear* they are impartial but mysteriously do NOT support the 1500 hour rule or
2) young pilots with less than 1500 hours who think they know everything and of course, do NOT support the 1500 hour rule.
I have never made a comment before, but here is the process;
1) go to Regulations.gov
2) in the blue search window type in FAA–2010–0100
3) under Title should be "Pilot Certification and Qualification Requirements for Air Carrier "
look to the far right where it says "Submit a Comment"
4) the rest is self explanatory
I just started reading the comments made on the 1500/ATP Rule (FAA–2010–0100). So far, out of the sampling of roughly 1600 comments, I see mostly;
1) Flight Schools that *swear* they are impartial but mysteriously do NOT support the 1500 hour rule or
2) young pilots with less than 1500 hours who think they know everything and of course, do NOT support the 1500 hour rule.
I have never made a comment before, but here is the process;
1) go to Regulations.gov
2) in the blue search window type in FAA–2010–0100
3) under Title should be "Pilot Certification and Qualification Requirements for Air Carrier "
look to the far right where it says "Submit a Comment"
4) the rest is self explanatory
I have made my comment, which reflects my belief that the proposed rule is actually one of the few gov't regulations that make sense, fits the FAA mandate, and that sets an appropriate bar over which the free market (pilot supply / demand) must clear for reasons of safety.
04-25-2012 | 04:27 PM
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From: Emb 170 FO
This law will not hold anyone back. If you dont have 1500hrs you shouldn't be flying a jet, and you if you have not been a CFI for at least 2 years you should be flying anything bigger than a king air!
04-25-2012 | 08:36 PM
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Never CFI'd. I flew freight instead. Should I be limited to King Air or smaller?
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