Not sure, but I don't think that was the intention of the post. Flew 135 freight and skydivers for a while and then 121 long haul cargo. Had about 7000 hours before flying 121 pax. 3 or 400 hours is really not enough to be flying passengers on an airliner.

 

What if your senority was based on the date that you completed the flight test for your ATP. The problem is that airlines wouldn't want to hire someone they had to pay more to put ahead of others. If by some stretch of the imagination we could limit the hiring ability to only being able to apply and interview at the posted minimums, but the airline couldn't ask for proof until after the job offer. This could keep them from discriminating. That way the people that put in the time, and get their certification are locked in at their date of ATP, and changing jobs won't be as detrimental to theory career. They slain won't have to worry about getting placed in the basement of a regional.

 

Here is my .02. You should not be a pilot in 121 pax/cargo service unless you have an ATP... thats why its called an "Airline Transport Pilot" certificate. End of story. HOW you get that 1500 hours... does not matter to me. There are many different ways.

As for a national seniority list, its a great "idea" but that dog just does not hunt.

 

The problem with this industry is that there are too many Andrews out there. You will see them in the terminals wearing headphones and sporting backpacks. They willingly work for poverty wages and some even have the nerve to attempt to ease the entry into the right seat, thus further depressing the payscales.

By attempting to rid the ATP necessity, you are unknowingly doing a lot of damage - for what I can assume is due to your lack of an ATP. Which inturn makes you selfish.

 

You sir, are part of the problem. Some of us would like to work on a solution.

 

I'd say your hire date at your first 121 carrier. Just meeting the mins shouldn't get you on the list.

 

Please don't let me stop you. I wish you luck.

 

IMO, setting the min's at 2500 TT with 500 Multi is reasonable.

No credit for military or 141 school.

US passenger's deserve and should expect well trained EXPERIENCED pilots not lowest bidder want to be's trying to gain experience.

All these 350 hour wonders willing to work for poverty wages or worse yet pay to work are a embarrassment to the US Air transportation system. How many people have the Gulf air express and or Silver airway's "graduates" killed off so far???.....Enough is Enough.

Set the Min's and sick too them......

 

Sounds great, I hope with all the bluster we seem to have on APC, you and and everyone else are taking it to www.regulations.gov and submitting comments before the end of this month!

The flight schools are trying to water down the current bill as it stands. (750 hours ex mil, 1000 hour puppy mill, 1500 hour part 61).

The schools most definitely ARE commenting on the NPRM and are claiming that having their students get 1,000 TT instead of 250 fresh comm is unreasonable, going to cause that "pilot shortage", raise pax tickets prices, and best of all; they claim the additional flight experience does NOT contribute to improving safety!! YEAH RIGHT!

Honestly, I am surprised the proposed law is as "harsh" as it is. Personally, I don't think there is a snowball's chance of anything better than to keep the law as proposed. Lots of groups are lobbying to rescind this proposal, or greatly undercut the proposed new minimums.

 

Finally I read a comment from an ACTUAL airline pilot. Funny how his story is COMPLETELY CONTRARY to what the 250 hour wonder kids and lobbying groups are saying, no? (I'm sorry for all the APC posts all of a sudden. Reading the apologetics for no experience in the cockpit absolutely galls me.)

"As a 20 year airline pilot I would like to comment on h.r 5900 the new rule to require First officers to have at least 1500 flight hours. This rule is WAY over due. I am tired of flight insructing in a jet full of passengers going 500 miles an hour. I have flown for regional airlines for 20 years. My co -pilots flying right seat in a regional jet have only 300 hours of TOTAL flight time. Many times I have taken the plane away from them, Some have never seen snow let alone flown in it. I have had one co pilot give me a high five after landing in low ceilings he had never flown through a cloud before! One time in Boston Logan airport my co pilot who was landing the plane simply let go of the controls at 100 feet and said "oh my god your airplane" The only thing wrong was she hit a little turbulence. Another co pilot was asking which way to fly around the storm ahead..His radar showed flashing red meaning bad storm..except he had the radar pointed at new york city.there was no clouds above 2000 feet..They had never seen a radar let alone used one. Another first officer basaclly crashed on the landing bouncing a 40,000 pound jet and didnt compensate for a 5 knot crosswind. A visual approch gets interesting with these low time pilots.This rule needs to pass now! Thank you Captain XXXX XXXX XXXX Airlines"