Can I ask if you know the inner workings of an ILS or Rho Theta system?
Do you fly those approaches fairly well without knowing about the ins and outs of those systems?
There is education, and then there is penny knowledge.

USMCFLYR

 

USMC, I agree seems pretty silly to cut out military guys who have been flying nothing but jets. But other then that I say 1500 hard minimum.

 

As a military guy I agree 100%. The 1500 hour rule with the military is pretty much a "made-up" argument anyway. Until the early 80s there was mostly a 4 year post winging commitment, which was raised to 5, then 6, and is now 7 or 8 unless it has changed again.

The bottom line is the number of guys that this might affect is very, very small, and if they really want to be airline Pilots they can pretty much ensure that they either come out of the military with 1500+ hours, or else they fly a little on their own and total 1500+ hours.

As far as the less than 1500 hour military guy goes, for the most part this is pretty much a solution looking for a problem. Yes, there may be a very few guys affected, but enough to merit a waiver?

The ME minimums may need to be addressed for the Fighter types, but not the 1500hrs.

Scoop

 

As well you should because he is probably still having to *think* about taking out ALL of the crab before landing instead of just half of it (spoken from experience and not even a heavy jet guy!)

USMCFLYR

 

Granted, you did say CFI, but I think we can argue that by the time most instructors get to the airlines, they / we have instrument and multi engine privileges.

 

Not to mention that any instructor worth his salt has no qualms about flying in clouds with a student. What better way to demonstrate to a private pilot student VOR/NDB tracking and intercepting, spatial disorientation, situational awareness, etc..? But I suppose a lot of CFI's are content taking the day off... and then going on the internet and complaining how long it's taking them to get 1500hrs.

 

I agree with scoop who said the military thing is a solution looking for a problem. I'm pretty sure that in 10 years of flying, you can probably manage to average 150hrs/yr. I wouldn't worry about the multi engine thing. I'm not convinced that the 100hr multi time actually makes a difference when you sit in a transport category plane.

 

And this why we are all writing in USMCFLYR this November!

 

I agree, but general understanding of the jetstream hardly qualifies as penny knowledge.

What would you like to know about the ILS or Rho Theta system? Electromagnetic wave propagation characteristics or nutsy-boltsy stuff? Lobing? Obviously, this is not 4 year degree stuff. We are moving beyond that. Aviation College isn't my only background We can get into real useless stuff such as bipolar junction transistors, Inertial Laser Ring Gyros and all kinds of other gee-whiz stuff.

The above isn't really relevant anymore, but syllabi often seem to lag behind abit. My instrucors were (very old) RAF guys with a syllabus written by even older RAF guys. Calculating convergency angles, celestial nav, critical fraction lenths, and learning about alloy composition characteristics and at what color they burn was the order of the day. Some of it completely useless, but some of it not so completely useless.

I maintain that a tailored academic aviation program, relevant to the modern world combined with real world experience is the best compromise, not just an hour requirement with some basic skillsets.

 

Nope - not always.
You are also forgetting in that 10 year you have excellent opportunities to *grow* as a professional officer by doing Individual Augments for up to 18 months, attending one of the higher venues of education the military offers, joining a backpack humping infantry Battalion or many other out of the cockpit broadening experiences for about a year. My absolute highest year EVER in the military was 372 hours where I was an absolute 'person of ill-repute' and would even grab the -3 of a night time formation flight (some on here will understand the ludicrously of that ) for the hours. I also went over 2 years when I did not even make my minimums of 100 hours a year when I was assigned to flight positions!

In the end, what I was saying was that I think 2500 total/500 ME was too much and that I agree with others who state 1500 min - no waiver. Now if the law gets changed and raises the ATP mins to 2500 then I guess guys who want to eventually be airline pilots would have another set of circumstances to consider when they fill out that dream sheet nearing selection time Maybe there should be another license for those who want to do other types of flying than airline pilot. There are already different sets of minimums in place, insurance, and contracts all play a role in setting the bar.

USMCFLYR