Originally Posted by phalanxo

Paying your dues as a CFI is the only realistic option these days... With everybody trying to build 1500 hrs, trust me the few parachute jumper options to go around aren't going to help.. there are very few VFR options and IFR mins sorta mean you still need to instruct most of the way. So... here's my problem with the rule... It's a pyramid scheme. The first CFI's at the top, instruct 10 students all the way through and get their 1500 hrs... second set of CFIs need to find 10 more students to instruct all the way through to get their 1500 hrs... etc.. do the math and you soon realize that it is a pyramid scheme. Yes, some people will earn privates and maybe instruments that aren't looking to go all the way through to CFI and make a career out of things, but with Avgas approaching insane prices, it's just going to be difficult to get enough students to get everybody to 1500. Regional pay going up as a result.. that's not exactly in the business model, and god forbid ticket prices go up to pay for it, so we'll see what happens there, but flight schools are going to have so many CFI candidates they may start charging to be a CFI there... Somebody who wants to get ahead and has SJS may be willing to pay just to instruct for a year.
I realize people think this rule will be a good thing for regional life/pay, and maybe it will be, but remember there are always unintended consequences with any legislation. If it really does cause a shortage, rather than raise pay, they'll hire anybody who comes along with 1500 hrs and an ATP- even if that person won't be pleasant to work with, is unsafe, etc - they need pilots. And if they can't get new FOs, no growth or captain upgrades. This is happening either way - just playing devil's advocate.

Originally Posted by flyboyandrew

I have been in contact recently with several congressmen, who I have discussed with the new "ATP Law" going into affect. I was advised to create a petition to hand into the FAA requesting amendments to the proposed NPRM for the law.



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Originally Posted by CrakPipeOvrheat

I don't know if anyone already asked this but what are the airlines going to do with their current FO's that don't have their ATP come August 1, 2013? I haven't heard anything about my company sending us to training to get our ATP.

Andrew, I have a friend going to Copa Airlines in Panama soon. You could work there with 250 hours. You would have a nice looking resume when you have enough time for a part 121 in the USA.

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Originally Posted by Salukipilot4590

Full disclosure here: I was hired into a Brazilian jet at 705TT/97ME

My college plan (circa 2003) was to get in, get trained, drink, flight instruct in good ole IL and graduate in 2007. After graduation head back to the Left coast and CFI for a couple years then head over to SKW whenever they started hiring.

Well lookee what happened....the hiring boom of 2006-08... I had the opportunity to go to a crappy regional asap or go home and CFI more (had been CFIing for two years at the time). Impatient me jumped at the chance to ski on the water.....in retrospect I should have gone home and enjoyed the In-N-Out and sun.

Two furloughs later and here my black ass sits....in LA....CFI-ing (well the first furlough...not the second.....so far....) waiting for SKW to tell me I'm good enough.










Moral of the story...do it right the first time kid.





For-Shizzle.

Originally Posted by Systemized

CFIs make more than first years FOs.

Originally Posted by Senior Skipper

I used to read that statement and think it was a slight exaggeration. I made a TON more money as a CFI.

Originally Posted by DirectTo

I made a little more CFI'ing, and three times as much doing 135 charter. And actually felt like the companies enjoyed having me around.

Leaving 135 to come here was the biggest mistake I've made in my short career.