I've seen an entire class of females at an airline. 100%.
I guess that reflects the application poll.

 

Please give me a break you have interviewed so what. I happen to know it happens. The problem is what are you going to sue for???? How do you know from the outside what happened and why how was chosen? BTW I am already at a major!

 

Boiler NEVER said what you're implying. He simply got to have interaction with new hires at that time. UPS pilots that are also on this board.

And your second sentence needs a clarification. There's being quailified, and there's being competitive.

UAL circa 2000 upped minimums to basically ATP requirement numbers. That's qualified if you meet them. However, to quote NS from UAL "the average civilian WM new hire has around 4-5000 TT, with 12-1500 TPIC. And many of those have more than 1 type rating. For other than WM's, it's about half that."

AGAIN, that's right from NS, as well as just about anybody else that was involved in UAL hiring at that time. What was deemed competitive for various demographics wasn't the same.

If you're taking the infamous "quota class" at XJT in late spring of 2005, it was 14 females and 2 males.

 

Yeah, and please give me a break. Have these people that are complaining up and down of discrimination actually interviewed in last 10 years?

You are right, you may not know from the outside, so you'd have to have a pretty good idea of why, and of it happening to other people. If it really was happening like that, there'd be very good records. Do you have any idea what the airlines have to gather on someone for interviewing and processing (yes, you do)? HR keeps information and of course there are people there that did the processes. These days, with the computer systems we have, and all the information I was mentioning above, you'd have to be running a crazy sophisticated system to be doing this to any real extent.

The reason I'm bringing this up is because HR and hiring in process has become a very technical process these days, it's not as apt at leaving loose ends and mysterious preferential hirings as it was in the past.

 

...so should I post the pic of me with watermelons yet?

 

There's a black pilots association. If we started a white pilots association I'm sure we'd be right up there with the klan..... We would be bigots, racist, etc etc.

 

You're more than welcome to join. You'd be surprised

 

If you want to be mad, be mad about all the chief pilots sons getting hired with no time served.

I have more than a few white male friends get hired at CAL with no PIC and 1.5 years at a regional. Mean while I got the pleasure of spending 8.5 years at a POS regional.

Just food for thought, sometimes its just dumb luck. I know it's not fair, and beyond frustrating.

 

So you have interviewed at a major in the last ten years?
I have had my apps in since the day I got my 1000 TPIC in '98.
My phone still has yet to ring from a major in the US.
Admittedly I did get close with TWA but AA bought them before I got the interview.

I was at a job fair in the Spring of 2001.
The UA rep wasn't really interested in talking to males.
He even insinuated that I had too much time for my age, 4000 TT and under 30.

Or some of the stories from buddies that interviewed at USAir.
The app window had closed some 3 months previous but yet there were females filling out the app just prior to the interview and being asked if they had any female friends that needed jobs.

The stories go on and on and UAL was quite possibly the biggest offender.
Admittedly one female that I though was a shoe in with UAL didn't get the job. I guess she was over qualified.

Now before you go thinking that I am anti-female, I am not.
I just want to see qualifications as the benchmark rather than gender or race.

Hopefully in the next wave of hiring some of the silliness will stop with HR.

 

You are taking to pilots at job fairs, and not HR, and that was over 10yrs ago, kind of what I thought. Sure, they'll "walk in your résumé", and that's likely how it worked back then, but they have a lot more to lose these days, as people are connected and able to share information, like on this website. The job fair thing is more about their pr and generating resumes on the website for HR to screen, IF they actually need anyone at the moment, otherwise it's just help with using the website and answering "do I qualify?" questions.

The reality is people are scrambling over each other to get major airline jobs. You might have 4000pic, someone else has 3500, 3 types, maybe the type needed, was a company check airman, captain of the football team, and has a seaplane rating. There are a lot of pilots that qualify, more than will ever get the job.