Hey Guys quit hating!!! I was rejected by Younited with L1011 widebody time and I was a 727 Capt at an airline from IND at the time.Oh by the way that was my second interview and I had reccs from white friends.I got hired at AMR/Eagle at the time with 3900 hours and 1800 multi,plus an ATP. I'm sick of hearing my fellow aviators cry foul when they see someone of another color or sex in the seat they THINK they deserve.As a fomer interviewer I suggest concentrate on selling yourself if you get an interview not blame others for your failure

 

LOL, im getting my popcorn out...

 

Yes, some might disagree because they know the facts surrounding your urban legend. Especially those who were involved with pilot hiring and quite familiar with the EEOC case at UAL. BTW, this topic seems to surface every year or so and has been discussed over and over. Doing a simple search would provide ample background.

What you want to search for is the EEOC consent decree. While UAL was named in the decree, all carriers complied at the time. There was some preferential hiring following the decree (early to mid 80's) until the carriers showed that the decree could not be complied with based on demographics. In other words, the EEOC required number of minority and women applicants with pilot ratings simply did not exist.

As for tribal affiliation; Contact the tribe and ask what the procedure is for obtaining a CIB card (Certificate of Indian Blood). Once you hold a CIB card, you can apply to become a member of the tribe. Until you've completed both steps it would be foolish to make the claim of Indian heritage on an employment application.

 

Soon we will be like South Africa's aviation program.

 

What if you're not currently part of a tribe? I also wonder if a company is legally allowed to ask for you to prove that you are more than one race. Seems like they could be opening themselves up to a lawsuit since they're not allowed to discriminate because of race. It would be like asking to prove that you are Jewish, or Christian or whatever.

One of my ex girlfriends was full on Mexican (both parents came from the gdl area), but she was completely white and their last name was "Dan". She checked the Latino box and was never asked about it when she was job hunting.

 

If you aren't currently part of the tribe then you can't claim it for purposes such as those being discussed. If you are claiming minority status then they have every right to ask you to prove such status. I know you understand Affirmtive Action so I'm not sure how you can make such as statement as the one bolded above in your post. As far as your Mexican-American example above - I guess they don't have Mexican-American tribal rollcalls?
HSLD does a good job of explaining the issue in his post a few back (#43).

 

"If you get an interview" is the tricky part. Most white guys are just sick of applying with a cold phone while women and minorities without a comma in their logbook breeze into new hire class.

Don't get me wrong - If I got a call for a job with 800 hours I'd take it too. I can't hate on anyone who does that. What I'm tired of is hearing the "You've got to pay your dues" part from folks. Sure, I need flight time to get a job, but my competitive time is different from others competitive time.

Like a few years ago speaking to a CAL CA and FO. FO was a girl who was recently hired with very low time (Not even 1,500 hours) and the Captain was a scab. When the discussion turned to getting hired on at CAL I get a lecture from the scab about "paying your dues" and the "entitlement society". So I need to keep flying my ass off to pay my dues, but if there was a picket line to cross or if I had 2 X chromosones I'd be fine? Gotcha.

 

Usmcflyer,

I'm just a punk ass white boy, so I've never paid much attention to what they are allowed to ask you to prove. I just check the 'white' box and wait by a phone that never rings.

 

The truth is that it is much easier to whine and complain about not getting hired due to discrimination than it is to look at one's weaknesses (e.g. bad resume, cover letter, poor punctuation/grammar, etc). If I were in a hiring board looking at cover letters and encountered some of the same crap I see in these boards, I wouldn't hesitate to dump them in the trash.

 

I agree with much of this post but disagree with the minority hiring comments. My disagreement is based on my recollection of United's hiring practices back in the late eighties/early nineties.

There was a company called FAPA (Future Airline Professionals of America) that sent out a monthly magazine and at the end of the magazine it would list FAPA members who had been hired. It would give their name, the airline they had gone to work for, as well as their experience in terms of hours, ratings, aircraft flown, etc. You'd see something like "Steve Canyon: 2,250 total 2,250 multi-engine, 2,250 jet, 2,100 PIC, F-15, T-38, T-37/ Delta (or American, etc)." But you'd also see "Juanita Gomez: 800 total, 0 multi-engine, 0 jet, 600 PIC, C-172, C-150/ United."

Honestly the difference in qualifications and experience between those FAPA members going to United versus those who went to Alaska, American, Delta, Northwest, Pan Am, TWA, US Air, etc. was amazing.

I'm former military and I can't recall a single pilot at the base I was at who was hired by United in the year or so before I got out. Everybody got hired... but they went elsewhere. I know it changed after that because I have several former military buddies at United, but it was so one sided when I was applying I didn't even bother sending an application to United.

For those thinking of "fabricating a minority card" I'd be very careful. Other carriers are likely similar but Delta has a pretty comprehensive background check done on the pilots they hire. If they find you've lied on your application, your days as a Delta employee will be few.

Happy New Year everybody!