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Old 01-11-2013 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Remember after the Mesaba buyout, when Pinnacle wanted to picket outside HQs against management, and Mesaba and Colgan committees sent out emails saying they would not be with Pinnacle on the picket, because they don't believe it's the right thing to do, and they are giving management more time?? Yeah, good times. So much for "support" from fellow brothers.
How about ALPA national telling the Pinnacle MEC not to picket. But the idiots from Pinnacle decided that they would do it anyway. No wonder it took 8 years to get a contract. Pretty easy to negotiate against amateurs. And I am not talking about management.
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Old 01-11-2013 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
The fact that XJT didn't have the foresight for 76-seat rates.

Mesaba didn't have 76 seat aircraft but we made damn sure those rates were in the contract we signed prior to this merger circus.

ASA had the foresight, why does it come down to another carrier to help you with an oversight in your glorious contract.

XJT and ASA pilots wouldn't do squat to help Pinnacle pilots out. I guarantee most of you guys would be very happy if we voted ourselves out of business.
I don't work under the XJT contract so I can't speak for why they didn't have the foresight to negotiate large RJ wages.

And a no vote isn't a vote to put yourself out of business. 80kts and others who have intimate knowledge of how Delta operates have explained why that's the case on this thread and many others. It's all a scare tactic. 9E's fate does not hinge on this vote.

What does, however, is the compensation of every regional airline pilot for the next decade.
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Old 01-11-2013 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by atrdriver
I don't work under the XJT contract so I can't speak for why they didn't have the foresight to negotiate large RJ wages.

And a no vote isn't a vote to put yourself out of business. 80kts and others who have intimate knowledge of how Delta operates have explained why that's the case on this thread and many others. It's all a scare tactic. 9E's fate does not hinge on this vote.

What does, however, is the compensation of every regional airline pilot for the next decade.
I haven't discussed if I feel that the danger of going out of business is real or not, however I do not believe we are not going to affect anyone else's contract unless they let it.

If you don't like what is presented to you, vote no.

That is the exact choice I am presented with at this time, you will get yours next, irregardless of how our vote turns out.
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Old 01-11-2013 | 06:05 PM
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+1 Bartok. Nobody should have to worry.
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Old 01-11-2013 | 06:10 PM
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Why the hell are Pinnacle pilots posting in this thread.

WE GET IT...YOU ARE VOTING THE TA IN.

We are not discussing that...we are discussing the consequences of this epic failure of a contract.
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Old 01-11-2013 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
I haven't discussed if I feel that the danger of going out of business is real or not, however I do not believe we are not going to affect anyone else's contract unless they let it.
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I guarantee most of you guys would be very happy if we voted ourselves out of business.
Can't have it both ways. Also can't talk sense to a delusional 9E pilot it seems.

Time to hit the bar... you really ought to, too, Bartok. Sounds like you could use a drink. Something other than the Kool Aid of course.
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Old 01-11-2013 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by atrdriver
Can't have it both ways. Also can't talk sense to a delusional 9E pilot it seems.

Time to hit the bar... you really ought to, too, Bartok. Sounds like you could use a drink. Something other than the Kool Aid of course.
Out of context, much?

You don't have a clue how I voted.

All I said was ASA/XJT pilots would love it if we went out of business.

And this whole mess makes me want to drink.
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Old 01-11-2013 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BIGRIG
How about ALPA national telling the Pinnacle MEC not to picket. But the idiots from Pinnacle decided that they would do it anyway. No wonder it took 8 years to get a contract. Pretty easy to negotiate against amateurs. And I am not talking about management.
Because ALPA National knows what's best for 9E? Yeah, that worked out well...
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Old 01-11-2013 | 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Bartok
And this whole mess makes me want to drink.
Cheers

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Old 01-11-2013 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by atrdriver
Cheers

Make that Grey Goose and it would be pretty accurate.
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