PNCL's new CEO
01-30-2013 | 11:28 AM
#53
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Dude, you are full of it!
Have you read the contract yourself?
From a law perspective: the contract is so lengthy, so wordy, and filled with so many loopholes, that it virtually allows Delta to do whatever they want. The longer contracts are, the more loopholes. The shorter they are, the less loopholes.
Example, the current contract for Pinnacle to fly CRJ-200's for many years into the future was just broken. The contracts were designed to give Delta control. They hold the cards.
Things are playing out EXACTLY like ComAir.....and now ComAir's CEO, is going to be running the show.
Hmmmmmmmm............
Have you read the contract yourself?
From a law perspective: the contract is so lengthy, so wordy, and filled with so many loopholes, that it virtually allows Delta to do whatever they want. The longer contracts are, the more loopholes. The shorter they are, the less loopholes.
Example, the current contract for Pinnacle to fly CRJ-200's for many years into the future was just broken. The contracts were designed to give Delta control. They hold the cards.
Things are playing out EXACTLY like ComAir.....and now ComAir's CEO, is going to be running the show.
Hmmmmmmmm............
You can't just say there are so many loop holes and not give any examples. The 200's were parked because that's what PNCL management, which is Delta management, decided. The Bridge agreement is a whole other matter.
01-30-2013 | 12:07 PM
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I wouldn't expect any help from DALPA after PALPA did an end-around and negotiated directly with Delta--without giving Delta pilots the courtesy of sitting at the table.
so much for "meet and confer."
01-30-2013 | 12:26 PM
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Assuming that's the case, where are you going to get the money for your lawyers? An assessment?
I wouldn't expect any help from DALPA after PALPA did an end-around and negotiated directly with Delta--without giving Delta pilots the courtesy of sitting at the table.
so much for "meet and confer."
I wouldn't expect any help from DALPA after PALPA did an end-around and negotiated directly with Delta--without giving Delta pilots the courtesy of sitting at the table.
so much for "meet and confer."
01-30-2013 | 12:49 PM
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From: "if it's got wings, I can crash it".
Something to read for some of the folks in here.
"A Delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.[1] As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception".
"A Delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.[1] As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception".
01-30-2013 | 12:51 PM
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Those contracts existed between PNCL and DAL, the bridge agreement is between us Pilots and DAL. If Delta shuts us down in one year, they have to go to court and explain to the judge why they are backing out of the bridge agreement. Exploiting contract loop holes is not just cause, and since Delta management is in control, there are not many factors beyond the control of DAL. Only pilot work action is beyond the control of DAL.
You can't just say there are so many loop holes and not give any examples. The 200's were parked because that's what PNCL management, which is Delta management, decided. The Bridge agreement is a whole other matter.
You can't just say there are so many loop holes and not give any examples. The 200's were parked because that's what PNCL management, which is Delta management, decided. The Bridge agreement is a whole other matter.
01-30-2013 | 12:53 PM
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FWIW, Delta made the demands on us directly of what our pay would become, hence the "end around" deal. Furthermore, Moak was at the table. I understand it doesnt sit well with some Delta pilots, but your management was in the driver's seat as far as these negotiations, so thats who our MEC bargained with. Would DALPA have objected had they been asked?
Moak is not DALPA anymore. He is national. The fact that he was at the table makes it even worse that they went around DALPA.
01-30-2013 | 01:05 PM
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Assuming that's the case, where are you going to get the money for your lawyers? An assessment?
I wouldn't expect any help from DALPA after PALPA did an end-around and negotiated directly with Delta--without giving Delta pilots the courtesy of sitting at the table.
so much for "meet and confer."
I wouldn't expect any help from DALPA after PALPA did an end-around and negotiated directly with Delta--without giving Delta pilots the courtesy of sitting at the table.
so much for "meet and confer."
01-30-2013 | 01:18 PM
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Does DALPA sit down when DAL negotiates with Coke, Port Authority, or BP? Just because the head of our union is a DAL seniority pilot he could not work to get the best possible deal for some of its membership? As much as I can tell Moak is the ALPA president and no longer the DAL MEC chairman. PALPA did not do anything or agree to anything that affects the DALPA contract. How about putting courtesy aside and looking at situation that this pilot group was in. Far worse than anything DAL has ever seen. So much for being the "bigger" more rational parent.
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