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Old 03-20-2013 | 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
I think the XJT side saw an opportunity and know damn well without larger A/C the ERJ side would be cut in half in due time. They saw an opportunity and took advantage.
You took it. And broke a major rule of engagement!

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Old 03-20-2013 | 05:36 AM
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Well now at least there is a pay rate for the 175's. Can we get the damn joint contract done so we can be one big dysfunctional family?
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Old 03-20-2013 | 05:39 AM
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Well now at least there is a pay rate for the 175's. Can we get the damn joint contract done so we can be one big dysfunctional family?
Does it say E175s (I doubt it). And this gives the ASA side even less incentive to get a joint contract. Why would we want their concessionary 70seat rate crammed down our throats? No thanks, separate is fine with me. I won't fly for one penny less.
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Old 03-20-2013 | 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetlinker
$2. Yup, a whopping $2 override for all aircraft with 51-90 seats. Oh, and mandatory PBS bidding for said aircraft as well.

....and the race continues.
Can you post these new rates?

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So, there's a small squad of guys on the L-ASA side who have cush jobs running your pref-bidding on full ALPA paid trip loss. They have declared their lifestyles more important than the lives of 4000+ fellow pilots, and hold up the merger process like a bunch of selfish children. They are responsible for this.

They are like the Russian sub commander in The Hunt For Red October, blowing themselves up with their own torpedo. Thanks guys. Enjoy your fat time at home building those complex schedules with Flightline. So if we got that system at the fully merged company, you're telling me we would need almost 30 f-ing guys on full ALPA trip loss to run your system every month? L-XJT has 4 or 5 part timers. You guys are a disgrace. Shame.
This is really stretching and seems unbelievably desperate. 30 guys? I hope you've been drinking..
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Old 03-20-2013 | 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Does it say E175s (I doubt it). And this gives the ASA side even less incentive to get a joint contract. Why would we want their concessionary 70seat rate crammed down our throats? No thanks, separate is fine with me. I won't fly for one penny less.

Doesn't mention any aircraft type for pay only 41-50 seats and 51-90 seats. The only time it mentions an aircraft type is in maintaining a dual qualification which isn't allowed.
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Old 03-20-2013 | 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
The L-ASA MEC may have not budged on certain issues but "blaming" them for these rates has little merit........... I think the XJT side saw an opportunity and know damn well without larger A/C the ERJ side would be cut in half in due time. They saw an opportunity and took advantage. It pretty much guarantees larger A/C will go to the "erj" side. At least they are winning the race to the bottom. I kid when I say that, I stil think the rates are higher than the majority of large RJ rates.........
The bottom line here is y'all should have had a JOINT contract years ago.
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Old 03-20-2013 | 06:11 AM
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Assuming a $2 increase to current ERJ-145 rates --

L-XJET | L-ASA
FO
1 $25.05 | 1 $23.23
2 $36.31 | 2 $39.14
3 $38.46 | 3 $40.34
4 $40.88 | 4 $41.59
5 $42.04 | 5 $42.88
6 $43.25 | 6 $44.21
7 $44.48 | 7 $45.57
8 $45.76 | 8 $46.98
CA
1 $63.42 | 1 $63.27
2 $65.25 | 2 $65.24
3 $67.17 | 3 $67.24
4 $69.11 | 4 $69.33
5 $71.14 | 5 $71.48
6 $73.21 | 6 $73.69
7 $74.62 | 7 $75.95
8 $76.80 | 8 $78.30
9 $79.04 | 9 $81.47
10 $81.34 | 10 $84.74
11 $83.73 | 11 $87.37
12 $86.18 | 12 $90.06
13 $88.71 | 13 $92.86
14 $91.31 | 14 $95.72
15 $93.10 | 15 $98.68
16 $94.93 | 16 $101.65
17 $96.78 | 17 $104.68
18 $98.68 | 18 $107.83
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Old 03-20-2013 | 06:24 AM
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I'm gonna need both MEC's to punch themselves in the face. Thanks
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Old 03-20-2013 | 06:42 AM
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With all this talk about non-concessionary pay scales and work rules going into this contract, I'm shocked L-XJT reps agreed to something less than us. Didn't we have long discussions about adding to the pay scales and how you want the moon? What happened to the backbone?
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Old 03-20-2013 | 06:45 AM
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Words of wisdom from the L-XJT MEC scheduling chairman.

Originally Posted by mckpickle
What we should take from this is that the L asa folks forced this on us and themselves. Due to their "control issues" (think red neck wearing a wife beater and holding a can of PBR) they've chosen to hold up this merger. Looks like the company has found a way around it.
Almost sounds like he's gloating about undercutting us in the middle of negotiations. Real classy group over there.

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