Does this ruling specify SmartPref is to be used as the required PBS bidding system?

 

The rates are pretty similiar until someone gets senior in either seat,especially captain. Delta and XJT management has previously stated that senior pilots cost too much and mess up the regional business model. Delta dealt with that issue with the PNCL TA, and now XJT management is dealing with the seniority issue with arbitrator rates that are locked in for 3 years apparently.

L-XJT's pilot group is much younger and more junior, evidenced by their much higher attrition rate. Senior captains at ASA on the 700/900(and there are ALOT of them) would be taking around a $10,000 a year paycut to match these new rates. Management as declared thermo-nuclear war on senior pilots at ASA.

Skywest's Override pay scheme sounds like winning the lottery compared to the $2 raise

 

Some time ago, when this all came out, I remember I told people to be careful what they wished for. I told people that arbitration of these rates could hurt us tremendously. I told people that this could destroy our negotiating capital. I remember many on these boards saying that the xjet mec would show us how a real union negotiates......................................

I haven't directed any bad blood at the erj side and I have seriously tried to point out that we were self destructing. I have tried to point out that management was writing a new book on union busting. Today, all of this is confirmed.

Today, I will tell you all that I am disgusted by the actions of both our mecs... But I must say I know feel very angry at the ERJ side for this one. In this case I think management has beaten me. You guys just destroyed any negotiating capital we may have had for 70 seat rates. This is intolerable, and this deal is backhanded as hell. I don't understand how people couldn't see this coming. I can't understand how your MEC would demand higher rates and then decimate our joint bargaining capital. This is pathetic and childish. This is exactly what management wanted, you fell for all of it. Let us all take this as a lesson. This is a huge win for management.

 

Scheduling

22. Who will use PBS and who will keep our current line bidding?

The negotiated PBS system will be used for all new equipment positions. Current Contract 2004 line bidding will be used for the EMB‐135/145 operation. If new equipment is introduced before
PBS is implemented, current line bidding will be used until implementation.

23. When will PBS negotiations take place? When will the system be implemented?

PBS negotiations will begin as soon as practical. The parties are committed to implementing PBS within a reasonable period of time. It is not known at this time how long a full negotiation and
implementation of PBS will take. One of the first steps in PBS negotiations will be to establish a formal process agreement, which will include timelines and other information.

24. What system will be used?
The award did not include a named system for a number of reasons. However, at this time, the parties intend to negotiate and implement SmartPref.

25. Will the pilots get to vote on PBS?

Until a full process agreement is negotiated, it is impossible to know what, if any, ratification process will be used for PBS. There are several possible processes that could be used for a vote
to decide between systems, system configurations, or between a system and an arbitration. However, as part of this award, the parties are committed to negotiating for PBS. Neither the Company nor the Association has the unilateral right to “vote no” and stay with the current line bidding system. So while a pilot vote may play a role in PBS implementation, it will not be used to decide between PBS and line bidding.

Just remember that the LASA MEC asked the Company and LXJT to put both SmartPref and Flightline out to the pilot group to allow YOU to choose a system. This was requested December of 2012. They both said NO!

 

I said this months ago on the whipsaw thread......

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You guys do realize this is just one big game for management dont you... CT is probably laughing his A off reading this thread. Seriously think about as upper management............................ Both groups can't agree, it's fine with them. Most of the synergies are already realized. They are now coming to you as a whipsaw. Skywest guys already have a higher hourly then ASA so it's no problem for them to pay a few dollars more. That said, ASA and XJET 50 payscales are almost the same. What do you think you could negotiate for 70 seat rates that would be more cost competetive then asa or skywest... It's true you guys have some awesome QOL stuff in your contract that we all want and should fight for as a unified group. Those QOL improvements cost money and in general your contract is a little more costly then ours. Sooooo all that said, You would have to undercut ASA if you think you are going to "put the screws" to us...Is that what the intent of your mec is? If it is then we have two mecs that have totally been beaten by management.

In closing, you all look like bickering children. That's how management looks at it too. I'm almost 100 percent sure that this whole negotiating rates is so that they can get what they want out of a combined contract or create one of the most epic whipsaws of all time, all because some grumpy middle aged men never learned to compromise. Saying things like "go ahead and keep it up" and management hates your side more makes BH cry tears of happiness. Skywest may just be starting the most epic union busting campaign of all time. "

again guys great work with this one. As I'm sitting here thinking about it I almost think that it wasn't about the rates. It was about how you could go about implementing smart pref. Excellent work in that case, they got what they wanted. Put the screws to the current 70 pilots at ASA and got smartpref implemented. This is such a failure on so many levels. All because two groups of grown men couldn't agree on a bidding system>>>???? REALLY???? Im blown away.

 

Followed by a Dutch Rudder.

 

I have nothing to do with this.......I left the MEC and the ****show that is XJT last month

 

Wow, this is such a huge crap chute.

The company played us all like a fiddle. As soon as those Pinnacle rates came out, they knew they could get the rates they wanted through a clause in the ERJ contract.

Let's be realistic here. This isn't the ERJ MEC's fault; they didn't negotiate the rates. The back-dooring of SmartPref chaps my ass, but oh well. I was advocating that we take SmartPref anyway and move on. (Really, what's the difference between "unstacking" 50% of line holders and "globalizing" 50% of line holders. It wouldn't have mattered).

We've fallen right into management's trap. Fighting against each other has led to our own downfall. We should have had a JCBA a year ago and this wouldn't have even been an issue.

 

This has actually been quite hilarious to watch. Jerry and Skywest Inc are top notch businessmen. Played their hand perfectly.

The opening chapter for Flying the Line Vol III has be wrote

 

I think the XJT MEC knew exactly what was required of them to ensure they dont end up like PNCL or Comair. They are protecting their group and ensuring they can "competitively" bid on larger A/C knowing damn well if they dont start getting larger A/C soon they are going to be in a world of hurt........