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Old 03-21-2013 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
And the summer before that the company offered to do a parallel track. And then the XJT MEC offered the upper committee idea. Then the company suggested the MECs settle it within themselves through third party neutral arbitration. The ASA MEC turned all of them down. Even third party neutral arbitration! They turned that down!

So now we find ourselves in this position thanks to them.


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Prove it. The confidentiality agreement signed in January '12 precludes you from knowing this, since you've admitted you're not on the MEC or JNC. So either you're making this up, someone fed you BS, or someone breached confidentiality. Which is it?


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Old 03-21-2013 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Prove it. The confidentiality agreement signed in January '12 precludes you from knowing this, since you've admitted you're not on the MEC or JNC. So either you're making this up, someone fed you BS, or someone breached confidentiality. Which is it?
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Old 03-21-2013 | 06:52 AM
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Very nice.
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Old 03-22-2013 | 06:51 AM
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Everyone seems to think that an arbitrator imposed this POS on us. But there is an important question no one seems to be asking. What was agreed to BEFORE the arbitrator's decision? Or to ask another way, what exactly did the arbitrator impose? Rates? Common variant? Certainly he did not impose this whole thing on us. There must have been agreement on some of the issues before this thing went to arbitration.
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Old 03-22-2013 | 11:02 AM
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"A hearing is scheduled with an arbitrator on April 9 and 10, 2013, to determine if the ASA MEC has ratification rights on this agreement as established in the Transition and Process Agreement."
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Old 03-22-2013 | 11:28 AM
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"A hearing is scheduled with an arbitrator on April 9 and 10, 2013, to determine if the ASA MEC has ratification rights on this agreement as established in the Transition and Process Agreement."
Quick question, not necessarily directed at you, but how would the ASA MEC have ratification rights to an arbitration award that the XJT MEC didn't have ratification rights?
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Old 03-22-2013 | 11:37 AM
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The award is worse than just the pay rates: it also sets the precedent for dual qual. "A pilot assigned to the CRJ operation will still be required to be qualified on both the CRJ‐200 and CRJ‐700."

Originally Posted by Nevets
Quick question, not necessarily directed at you, but how would the ASA MEC have ratification rights to an arbitration award that the XJT MEC didn't have ratification rights?
I dunno, I'm just a line pilot.
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Old 03-23-2013 | 10:03 PM
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The award is worse than just the pay rates: it also sets the precedent for dual qual. "A pilot assigned to the CRJ operation will still be required to be qualified on both the CRJ‐200 and CRJ‐700."

Originally Posted by Nevets
Quick question, not necessarily directed at you, but how would the ASA MEC have ratification rights to an arbitration award that the XJT MEC didn't have ratification rights?
I dunno, I'm just a line pilot.
Dual qual is something the company wanted in the new contract. It probably was something that was conceded during joint contract negotiations. So it doesn't surprise me that it found its way into this arbitration award. Especially considering that other airlines already have dual qual.
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Old 03-24-2013 | 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
Dual qual is something the company wanted in the new contract. It probably was something that was conceded during joint contract negotiations. So it doesn't surprise me that it found its way into this arbitration award. Especially considering that other airlines already have dual qual.
Nothing is conceded until we vote. If dual qual was an open item it just became harder to use it as leverage.
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Old 03-24-2013 | 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Tony
Prove it. The confidentiality agreement signed in January '12 precludes you from knowing this, since you've admitted you're not on the MEC or JNC. So either you're making this up, someone fed you BS, or someone breached confidentiality. Which is it?
It was in a blast-mail from the union that ALPA lawyers had to vet because of potential litigation from the ASA MEC. How long are we really going to keep up this cherade of conspiracy theories and complete nonsense to defend your MEC? You can try and spin the truth but the people that matter know which side is completely full of it. Something to think about.
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