10K sign-on bonus with American Eagle
02-26-2014 | 06:35 AM
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How is a 3.9 GPA business degree from a "top 10 ranked public university" relevant to operating a commercial airliner? 
Whether you like it or not, airlines must clearly find better results with those candidates coming from aviation universities... or they would not be offering these bonuses. Aside from the actual flying, an aviation degree might also include curriculum in advanced aerodynamics, meteorology, human factors, flight physiology, aviation law... heck, even interpersonal communication. These are all subjects chosen to groom a well-rounded professional pilot and the results show.
Right now there are far fewer students enrolling in these types of courses. If airlines want to keep hiring from these universities, they will have to show some incentive to future prospects.
Whether you like it or not, airlines must clearly find better results with those candidates coming from aviation universities... or they would not be offering these bonuses. Aside from the actual flying, an aviation degree might also include curriculum in advanced aerodynamics, meteorology, human factors, flight physiology, aviation law... heck, even interpersonal communication. These are all subjects chosen to groom a well-rounded professional pilot and the results show.
Right now there are far fewer students enrolling in these types of courses. If airlines want to keep hiring from these universities, they will have to show some incentive to future prospects.
I took the same exact FAA exams that everybody else takes, and am held to the same exact standard everybody else is held to. So why then am I worth less pay?
Just to make it clear, I have nothing against university aviation programs, none whatsoever. My problem is with the double standard.
02-26-2014 | 06:44 AM
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02-26-2014 | 07:04 AM
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How is a 3.9 GPA business degree from a "top 10 ranked public university" relevant to operating a commercial airliner?
Whether you like it or not, airlines must clearly find better results with those candidates coming from aviation universities... or they would not be offering these bonuses. Aside from the actual flying, an aviation degree might also include curriculum in advanced aerodynamics, meteorology, human factors, flight physiology, aviation law... heck, even interpersonal communication. These are all subjects chosen to groom a well-rounded professional pilot and the results show.
Right now there are far fewer students enrolling in these types of courses. If airlines want to keep hiring from these universities, they will have to show some incentive to future prospects.
Whether you like it or not, airlines must clearly find better results with those candidates coming from aviation universities... or they would not be offering these bonuses. Aside from the actual flying, an aviation degree might also include curriculum in advanced aerodynamics, meteorology, human factors, flight physiology, aviation law... heck, even interpersonal communication. These are all subjects chosen to groom a well-rounded professional pilot and the results show.
Right now there are far fewer students enrolling in these types of courses. If airlines want to keep hiring from these universities, they will have to show some incentive to future prospects.
I took the same exact FAA exams that everybody else takes, and am held to the same exact standard everybody else is held to. So why then am I worth less pay?
Just to make it clear, I have nothing against university aviation programs, none whatsoever. My problem is with the double standard.
It's a Bonus, you will be getting paid the same, $25.60 per hour. The bonus is highly taxable. Plus you have to give the company a 2 year commitment.
Btw I got hired at 2010 and no bonus was offered at that time. Does that mean I worth less? Does that means I'm entitled less because I went thru the whole bankruptcy sham, the low time FOs getting our trips because they had less time than required for the ATP and in top of that they gave all those guys 5k bonus?
Stop the bull****, is a bonus, you can take it or leave it.
All the FNG or guys looking into the regional airlines want to fly the Mini73.
02-26-2014 | 07:34 AM
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From: AA A320 FO
02-26-2014 | 08:20 AM
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Our contract has a provision that says "all pilots will be paid in accordance with the provisions of this section 3 (ed. Compensation) for all pay time". Does Eagle have that provision? We have no provision for bonuses when the company needs more pilots but are generally willing to talk about additional compensation.
02-26-2014 | 08:21 AM
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NEWS FLASH......Your fancy $80,000 aviation degree does not make you a better pilot than me or anybody else. Period. In fact I'll even go out on a limb and say my 1,000 hours of dual given has done more to make me a better pilot than any stupid class on aviation law, or human factors, or interpersonal communication.
I took the same exact FAA exams that everybody else takes, and am held to the same exact standard everybody else is held to. So why then am I worth less pay?
Just to make it clear, I have nothing against university aviation programs, none whatsoever. My problem is with the double standard.
I took the same exact FAA exams that everybody else takes, and am held to the same exact standard everybody else is held to. So why then am I worth less pay?
Just to make it clear, I have nothing against university aviation programs, none whatsoever. My problem is with the double standard.
http://docs.lib.purdue.edu/cgi/viewc...1&context=jate
Pilots with an aviation degree are about 6% more likely to complete initial training than a new-hire with a non-aviation degree. Also per the JATE study, a 1000 hour pilot is only 0.4% less likely to complete initial training than a 1500hr+ ATP rated pilot.
(reference JATE 2012 Ph III Tables 8 and 9)
In light of the information supplied by this study, the type of degree that you have is is a far better predictor of success in training and on the line than total flight time. There are always exceptions to the rule, but if I was recruiting pilots for an airline, I'd pick the candidates who are most likely to succeed, and it appears that those are the ones with aviation degrees.
02-26-2014 | 08:27 AM
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Journal of Aviation Technology and Engineering
Written by:
Guy M. Smith and Derek Herchko
Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University at Daytona Beach
Elizabeth Bjerke
University of North Dakota
Mary Niemczyk and Robert Nullmeyer
Arizona State University
Julie Paasch
Westminster College
David A. NewMyer
Southern Illinois University
I'm sure it's not slanted at all........
Written by:
Guy M. Smith and Derek Herchko
Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University at Daytona Beach
Elizabeth Bjerke
University of North Dakota
Mary Niemczyk and Robert Nullmeyer
Arizona State University
Julie Paasch
Westminster College
David A. NewMyer
Southern Illinois University
I'm sure it's not slanted at all........
02-26-2014 | 08:37 AM
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Our contract has a provision that says "all pilots will be paid in accordance with the provisions of this section 3 (ed. Compensation) for all pay time". Does Eagle have that provision? We have no provision for bonuses when the company needs more pilots but are generally willing to talk about additional compensation.
02-26-2014 | 08:59 AM
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According to a recent study by the Journal of Aviation Technology and Engineering, an aviation degree does make you a better pilot, or at least more employable depending on how you look at it.
http://docs.lib.purdue.edu/cgi/viewc...1&context=jate
Pilots with an aviation degree are about 6% more likely to complete initial training than a new-hire with a non-aviation degree. Also per the JATE study, a 1000 hour pilot is only 0.4% less likely to complete initial training than a 1500hr+ ATP rated pilot.
(reference JATE 2012 Ph III Tables 8 and 9)
In light of the information supplied by this study, the type of degree that you have is is a far better predictor of success in training and on the line than total flight time. There are always exceptions to the rule, but if I was recruiting pilots for an airline, I'd pick the candidates who are most likely to succeed, and it appears that those are the ones with aviation degrees.
http://docs.lib.purdue.edu/cgi/viewc...1&context=jate
Pilots with an aviation degree are about 6% more likely to complete initial training than a new-hire with a non-aviation degree. Also per the JATE study, a 1000 hour pilot is only 0.4% less likely to complete initial training than a 1500hr+ ATP rated pilot.
(reference JATE 2012 Ph III Tables 8 and 9)
In light of the information supplied by this study, the type of degree that you have is is a far better predictor of success in training and on the line than total flight time. There are always exceptions to the rule, but if I was recruiting pilots for an airline, I'd pick the candidates who are most likely to succeed, and it appears that those are the ones with aviation degrees.
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