There is an article in today's USA Today saying that New Jersey's pensions are unfunded by $52 Billion.
Some state pensions in dire straits

 

The Economist has been talking about unfounded state pensions for awhile now. Chicago spends 1/3rd of it's budget on pension payments and it's set to increase. California pensions are unfounded as well. Detroit may have been the first but it certainly won't be the last.

 

As I stated, you've just proven AGAIN, it's all about you. You're just rationalizing your position on assumptive logic. Oh and BTW, we don't want you here at AA. Why ?

Because if you'll rationalize this course with only yourself in consideration now, you'll do it again at AA when you have to rationalize avoiding your next personal threat.

Agreed. You have indeed correctly identified your actions and we all can see that.

If it fails, you will just become another weak link in the chain at Eagle and will be ready, willing and able to break yourself upon the next unreasonable threat. You will be no asset to any pilot group unfortunate enough to acquire you in the future, so nothing personal, but I hope you become a millionaire in another profession.

Have you ever thought of switching to airline management ?

You've got all the right qualities.

 

Hey bzzt, I can't believe how short sighted the yes voters are. For them It's all about current comfort, over long term goals. I have 30+ years in this ****ty industry and you probably do too, but your willing to undercut your profession now when you have the opportunity to protect your future. I firmly believe that if we don't take these pay cuts that the majors will take back a majority of the flying. The best thing you could do for your "career" is to vote any cuts down. AAG doesn't need the cuts. They are making record profits. You are a fool if you vote yes.

 

Believe me, AA is the absolute last mainline I want to work for but beggars can't be choosers.

I don't vote for concessions, I am willing to vote for trades. I was a no vote on the bk deal because it was only a concession. I'd vote in the same pattern anywhere I worked. It's like someone offering to trade you an orange for an apple, if you like oranges better why not make the trade?

Flying will go back to mainline whether we vote this in or not. Economics do not support the current regional model anymore and it has absolutely nothing to do with how we vote. Do you honestly think pilot contracts influence business plans? We are a tiny part of a profit and loss statement.

AAG management will be forced to come back to that table in a few years to attract new hires if we vote this in. If we don't they'll just shift flying to a company like PSA over time and improve their contract to attract new hires. It's economics, that's how it works.

 

Trades ?

Ahh, no you're voting for PROMISES, not trades. Consider the source too.

Jeez, you've been in the industry a few years (at most) and at the regional F/O level and you're telling everyone "how it works" ?

You're in WAY over your head and those that far in usually drown in frustration and sorrow. If this passes, I'd freshen up your non-aviation quals if I were you.

 

I may be new to the airline industry but I do have a basic understanding of economics. They may be promises but in the end that's all anything is. You can't count on any thing in the future but you can make educated guesses.

I'm not sad or frustrated, this career will either work or it won't. This TA will either pass or it won't. I'll make it to a mainline or I won't. Get the pattern? Life goes on no matter what, this is a job, the things important to me are at home. This just pays the bills.

Anyway I've given my logic and theories, I understand your point of view and most of the no voters here at Eagle. It's great that we live in America and can have differences of opinion. I guess we will see who was right and wrong many years down the road.

 

OMG, I thin I have figured out who Bzzt is..... G.F.
Talks like him anyway.

 

QUOTE=captlonestar;1607283]Hey bzzt, I can't believe how short sighted the yes voters are. For them It's all about current comfort, over long term goals. I have 30+ years in this ****ty industry and you probably do too, but your willing to undercut your profession now when you have the opportunity to protect your future. I firmly believe that if we don't take these pay cuts that the majors will take back a majority of the flying. The best thing you could do for your "career" is to vote any cuts down. AAG doesn't need the cuts. They are making record profits. You are a fool if you vote yes.[/QUOTE]

You are telling Bzzt that he is short sighted? How about the short sight when ignoring what is currently going on at Eagle? We have skywest flying in DFW ORD and LAX add to this mess Republic likely flying out of MIA on the fall later on this year?

AAG isn't doing this to us because they are mean they do it because they are greedy and greed is a basic ingredient for capitalisim, they only care about profits.

Many NO voters think that they are standing for the industry and sadly enough were the same ones complaining about the pilots at XJET, SKW and Republic For stealing Eagle's flying. I actually don't blame any pilot that currently doesn't
fly with Eagle yet they fly airplanes with the livery of the original airline.

The companies bid the flying and we fly where they send us. It is how it works. AAG thinks that they can put the airplanes somewhere else and we think that they can not staff them. What it important is to understand that the company thinks that thay can and that is why the NO is a bigger gamble than the YES vote

The NO people tell us that we are fools, the reality is that we are all fools for picking these career. Many people got very lucky and made it OK at a regional but many people had been waiting to get something better for many many years.

To think that other pilot groups are just waiting to give us date of hire because we said No is living in denial. Pilots will do what is right for them and that is just a human instinct.

I'm happy we are all getting to vote and whatever happens we will come out of this together. Yes or No we should reespect each other. We all want to succeed, we are all share one common denominator we are fools for loving our job.

 

Not like it matters but I will never respect a yes voter in this environment. It doesn't mean that I won't treat you as a professional.