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Old 09-16-2014 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Slick111
I blame ALPA.

Only ALPA can stop the whipsaw. But they don't.

The line pilot is ALPA. The reps the line pilots elect are ALPA. The Mec officers the reps elect are ALPA. Therefore we are ALPA. So if ALPa is to blame, that is the same as saying we are to blame. Only a line pilot, in this case an ALPA line pilot can ratify these things. Once we can recognize the problem, us, then we can start thinking of how to fix it.
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Old 09-16-2014 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevets
The line pilot is ALPA. The reps the line pilots elect are ALPA. The Mec officers the reps elect are ALPA. Therefore we are ALPA. So if ALPa is to blame, that is the same as saying we are to blame. Only a line pilot, in this case an ALPA line pilot can ratify these things. Once we can recognize the problem, us, then we can start thinking of how to fix it.
Legally and morally you are correct, but the politics of an association pretending to a collective bargaining agent gets muddled.
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Old 09-16-2014 | 04:52 PM
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Scabs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 09-16-2014 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76
Well, bye bye Envoy. Should have took the deal when you had the chance.
Douchebaggery of the year award goes to texaspilot.
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Old 09-16-2014 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by flycrj200
Scabs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You really need to learn what a scab is and not throw the term around so loosely.
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Old 09-16-2014 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
What gains did you guys get in your soon-to-be-new contract that justifies the passing of this TA?
What did PDT gain? All pilots get a pay raise. It may not be a good raise and other carriers may receive more but we are moving to uncharted areas for PDT. We are not trying to negotiate new rates on equipment on property. We still will make more money both flying the Dash and whatever the future holds. RSV pilots get more vacation pay. Before we got 4 hrs per day now it is 4.2 per day. Flow, however small it is, is a gain we did not have before.

What we gave up? Higher insurance premiums. I expect my insurance to go from around $100-150 to around $250-300. In addition we accrue less sick time. It went from 4hrs a month to 3.5 so a loss of 6hrs per year.

Agreement is valid for 10 years. Union and company are allowed to bring 5 items for negotiation in both 2018 and 2022.
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Old 09-16-2014 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by higgi8f6
What did PDT gain? All pilots get a pay raise. It may not be a good raise and other carriers may receive more but we are moving to uncharted areas for PDT.
Here's what they really gained ( I hope all new pilots looking at PDT pay attention here )

YX current year 1 on EJet. ( this is a 2007 CBA rate). $22.95/hr
Year 4. $36.62/hr
YX rejected TA Rate. $26.00/hr
Year 4. $42.42/hr
PDT (accepted) new jet rate. $24.00/hr
Year 4. $39.10/hr


YX rejected 10 year rate. $49.42/hr
PDT accepted 10 yr rate. $43.28/hr

To be clear PDT accepted a 76 seat jet rate in 2014 that is $1.05/hr more than YX 50 seat jet rate from 2007 year one, and $2.48 more than 2007 50 seat rate year 4. They also locked themselves into a 10 year salary cap that is $6.00/hr less than the rates YX rejected because they were 2011 rates for the size aircraft. No matter what PDT pilots claim, they lowered the bar to get Ejets they may/ may not get, and for Flow they may or may not ever see.

For the new guys, I wouldn't recommend YX with a 7 year old contract so I definitely would think twice about PDT. You are locking into what will become the worst contract available in the next 2-4 years all for a promise of quick upgrade and flow, you may/may not see.




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Old 09-16-2014 | 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76
Well, bye bye Envoy. Should have took the deal when you had the chance.
Wait till you are at bat next, what goes around, comes around.
Glass houses ect.
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Old 09-16-2014 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SenecaII
Here's what they really gained ( I hope all new pilots looking at PDT pay attention here )

YX current year 1 on EJet. ( this is a 2007 CBA rate). $22.95/hr
Year 4. $36.62/hr
YX rejected TA Rate. $26.00/hr
Year 4. $42.42/hr
PDT (accepted) new jet rate. $24.00/hr
Year 4. $39.10/hr


YX rejected 10 year rate. $49.42/hr
PDT accepted 10 yr rate. $43.28/hr

To be clear PDT accepted a 76 seat jet rate in 2014 that is $1.05/hr more than YX 50 seat jet rate from 2007 year one, and $2.48 more than 2007 50 seat rate year 4. They also locked themselves into a 10 year salary cap that is $6.00/hr less than the rates YX rejected because they were 2011 rates for the size aircraft. No matter what PDT pilots claim, they lowered the bar to get Ejets they may/ may not get, and for Flow they may or may not ever see.

For the new guys, I wouldn't recommend YX with a 7 year old contract so I definitely would think twice about PDT. You are locking into what will become the worst contract available in the next 2-4 years all for a promise of quick upgrade and flow, you may/may not see.




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You seriously want to compare the Republic contract to Piedmont's? That's laughable.
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Old 09-16-2014 | 06:44 PM
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PDT now has the lowest 175 rates of any carrier. Great job guys.
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