Pilot Shortage (2015 Embry Riddle summit)
01-16-2015 | 09:49 AM
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The path hasn't really changed that much over the years. The new 1500 hour rule keeps some low timers out of the airplane now, but most new airline recruits historically had 1500+ anyway from instruction and 135 jobs. The main difference I see is that loans are not as easy to get since the Recession, and some of the 135 time building jobs are harder to find now.
01-16-2015 | 10:06 AM
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Here is why, there is/will be a shortage:
( Expert says new generation wants instant gratification. Are pare - ABC 33/40 - Birmingham News, Weather, Sports )
I was watching real sports, they were stating that there was one golf course closing every day U.S. Golf Course Closures Exceed Openings for Eighth Year - Businessweek. Their theory was that the current generation was unwilling to play a game with such a difficult mastery curve, and alluded that the other skill sports such as baseball, football and basketball were in the same boat. They even showed a college that had an intramural gaming team.
So take an endeavor such as piloting, that requires a fairly complex skill set before being released into the airspace, coupled with a steep financial component and an extended calendar time frame for completion, creates a recipe for a shortage. Add financial issues and the deal is sealed.
https://atpflightschool.com/
How many months to get from 250 hrs to 1500 again?
( Expert says new generation wants instant gratification. Are pare - ABC 33/40 - Birmingham News, Weather, Sports )
I was watching real sports, they were stating that there was one golf course closing every day U.S. Golf Course Closures Exceed Openings for Eighth Year - Businessweek. Their theory was that the current generation was unwilling to play a game with such a difficult mastery curve, and alluded that the other skill sports such as baseball, football and basketball were in the same boat. They even showed a college that had an intramural gaming team.
So take an endeavor such as piloting, that requires a fairly complex skill set before being released into the airspace, coupled with a steep financial component and an extended calendar time frame for completion, creates a recipe for a shortage. Add financial issues and the deal is sealed.
https://atpflightschool.com/
How many months to get from 250 hrs to 1500 again?
01-16-2015 | 10:06 AM
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Meh, wait til age 65 is under a year away for these guys. Then the excuses start surfacing. "Post 9-11 was reeeeally hard on ME!/I have a kid in school and an ex/My schedule is pretty good and I don't commute/I don't know what I'd do in retirement/Money is tight because of ______, SO I GUESS I'LL STAY." Its surprising how many really do stay. I am surprised at the number riding it out to the bitter end of age 65.
01-16-2015 | 10:55 AM
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True enough. American Airlines pilots just got a 23% pay raise, while Envoy pilots just agreed to a wage freeze. Do the mainline AA pilots have any empathy for their Envoy brothers and sisters? I suppose they look at Envoy as an outsourcing of their mainline jobs, so who cares, right?
01-16-2015 | 11:00 AM
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Meh, wait til age 65 is under a year away for these guys. Then the excuses start surfacing. "Post 9-11 was reeeeally hard on ME!/I have a kid in school and an ex/My schedule is pretty good and I don't commute/I don't know what I'd do in retirement/Money is tight because of ______, SO I GUESS I'LL STAY." Its surprising how many really do stay. I am surprised at the number riding it out to the bitter end of age 65.
01-16-2015 | 11:18 AM
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The path hasn't really changed that much over the years. The new 1500 hour rule keeps some low timers out of the airplane now, but most new airline recruits historically had 1500+ anyway from instruction and 135 jobs. The main difference I see is that loans are not as easy to get since the Recession, and some of the 135 time building jobs are harder to find now.
Exactly. I have to chuckle when I read the discussions regarding the need to now have 1500 hours.
1500/250 was the typical "norm." At 1600/300, I was one of the lower-time in my class back in the day. I would guess, that looking over history, getting hired with less than 1000 hours is the exception and not the norm.
01-16-2015 | 11:23 AM
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My favorite was the cry of "age discrimination!"
Never mind the fact that while they were enjoying advancement due to the age 60 rule for decades, they never said a thing about it.
01-16-2015 | 11:47 AM
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Exactly. I have to chuckle when I read the discussions regarding the need to now have 1500 hours.
1500/250 was the typical "norm." At 1600/300, I was one of the lower-time in my class back in the day. I would guess, that looking over history, getting hired with less than 1000 hours is the exception and not the norm.
1500/250 was the typical "norm." At 1600/300, I was one of the lower-time in my class back in the day. I would guess, that looking over history, getting hired with less than 1000 hours is the exception and not the norm.
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