Wheels falling off at RAH
08-10-2015, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by gojo
I cannot find any examples of what you're talking about. Maybe you could provide the legal text supporting your claim and examples of it being used on unionized pilots (apples to apples). Seems to me that would be grounds for an immediate strike.
Your remedies = strike
Company remedies = lockout, scabs, and/or impose will/contract/work rules
08-10-2015, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
This is partly false
Under the RLA, the company can impose a contract but that "self-help" also allows the pilots to strike.
"If no agreement is reached in direct negotiations and bargaining reaches an "impasse," either party may request mediation by the NMB within 10 days of termination of conference. If neither party requests the services of the NMB or the NMB does not
proffer mediation, the parties are released to self help. "
The President can authorize a Presidential Emergency Board in the event of a major carrier reaching an impasse. That can then authorize Congress to impose a contract.
Under the RLA, the company can impose a contract but that "self-help" also allows the pilots to strike.
"If no agreement is reached in direct negotiations and bargaining reaches an "impasse," either party may request mediation by the NMB within 10 days of termination of conference. If neither party requests the services of the NMB or the NMB does not
proffer mediation, the parties are released to self help. "
The President can authorize a Presidential Emergency Board in the event of a major carrier reaching an impasse. That can then authorize Congress to impose a contract.
08-10-2015, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by gojo
I cannot find any examples of what you're talking about. Maybe you could provide the legal text supporting your claim and examples of it being used on unionized pilots (apples to apples). Seems to me that would be grounds for an immediate strike.
https://twu556.org/nt/contract-negotiations-102/
The Railway Labor Act Simplified
Business | American Airlines To Impose Contract On Flight Attendants | Seattle Times Newspaper
http://www.americanbar.org/content/d...thcheckdam.pdf
Your best bet is to look at the actual language of the RLA which allows for the company to impose work rules once release into self help. The status quo is no longer in play.
08-10-2015, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
I don't disagree with anything you said. Re-read the argument. The argument is whether or not a contract can be imposed by the company outside of bankruptcy. It can.
08-10-2015, 03:57 PM
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Wheels falling off at RAH
Originally Posted by gojo
Well I guess technically they can if all the stars align. First getting released is no small feat, secondly that would be instant death to the airline. What would be their incentive?
To break the union by hiring off the street pilots and/or continuing to employ their willing pilots (both scabs) with the terms and conditions the company wants to impose. That's one way to get a union off property.
The RLA does allow management to impose a terms and conditions (not really a contract) on their workforce after the cooling off period.
08-10-2015, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
they cant hire with the current pay, how they going to find reasonable pilots with crap pay?
Who said anything about crap pay? Sounds to me like management is trying to INCREASE pay (albeit I wholeheartedly agree that's it's not enough). I'm assuming they would impose their last best offer, which again, sounds like more money especially if you include the cancellation protection management mentioned was in their counter offer.
08-10-2015, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by buddies8
they cant hire with the current pay, how they going to find reasonable pilots with crap pay?
08-10-2015, 04:42 PM
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even if there are pay raises you will be giving up items elsewhere in the cba which will make life miserable.
I agree it is BB taking the hit on stock price and placing the fear into the pilots of RAH hoping the pilots capitulate and agree to the contract and then everything corporate wise will be fine. the flying reduction request is only for about 8 months long. mainlines will bend over back wards to help regional ceo's bend over the pilots forward for a good insertion.
they belong to the same di ck club.
I agree it is BB taking the hit on stock price and placing the fear into the pilots of RAH hoping the pilots capitulate and agree to the contract and then everything corporate wise will be fine. the flying reduction request is only for about 8 months long. mainlines will bend over back wards to help regional ceo's bend over the pilots forward for a good insertion.
they belong to the same di ck club.
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