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Old 08-18-2015 | 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by airflight999
These new pay rates are so pitiful. 1% gains over 5 years. In the year 2020, first year FOs will still be making $22/hour. Meanwhile, burger flippers will be making $15/hour. If they put in 40 hours a week, they'll be making more than a friggin airline pilot.
I think what is more offensive than JO offering up that pile of crap is the fact that the MEC okayed it and reccomends you vote for it. Seriously, Brian Richardson must've been fellating JO while asking for raises for the top of the payscale and not a cent for the bottom.
Old 08-18-2015 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by DENpilot
I think what is more offensive than JO offering up that pile of crap is the fact that the MEC okayed it and reccomends you vote for it. Seriously, Brian Richardson must've been fellating JO while asking for raises for the top of the payscale and not a cent for the bottom.
Have had some contact with Brian Richardson, not impressed, comes across as a push over when dealing with the company.

Marcin K. on the other hand WAS someone to have in your corner
when dealing with the company. Fire tempered and knew his stuff.
Old 08-18-2015 | 11:44 PM
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What's the story with him anyway, why isn't he still MEC?
Old 08-19-2015 | 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
What's the story with him anyway, why isn't he still MEC?
Now that's a long story
Old 08-19-2015 | 04:17 AM
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Old 08-19-2015 | 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by prior121
Have had some contact with Brian Richardson, not impressed, comes across as a push over when dealing with the company.

Marcin K. on the other hand WAS someone to have in your corner
when dealing with the company. Fire tempered and knew his stuff.
Let me remind You Marcin was in charge when 90% of this was negotiated.
Old 08-19-2015 | 06:11 AM
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Make no doubt about it, Marcin is very pro company. He is very smart, knows his stuff, a good stick and all that, but he does what is best for himself above all else. Do your own homework, ask around, nothing is as it seems.
Old 08-19-2015 | 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by airflight999
These new pay rates are so pitiful. 1% gains over 5 years. In the year 2020, first year FOs will still be making $22/hour. Meanwhile, burger flippers will be making $15/hour. If they put in 40 hours a week, they'll be making more than a friggin airline pilot.
Using 2nd year FO, it's 1%/yr. That's 3% over 5 years (30/30.91=3% difference).

There are few 9 year FO's hear and is just basically furlough protection, a 9 year FO gets a 9.5% increase on signing of the contract.

Not defending it, just putting it out there.
Old 08-19-2015 | 06:56 AM
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Speaking of Marcin, whatever happened to David Butler?
Old 08-19-2015 | 07:45 AM
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Using 2nd year FO, it's 1%/yr. That's 3% over 5 years (30/30.91=3% difference).

There are few 9 year FO's hear and is just basically furlough protection, a 9 year FO gets a 9.5% increase on signing of the contract.

Not defending it, just putting it out there.
If these new rates truly represent a 9.5% raise for a 9 year FO that is scary. A 2nd year AWAC FO makes more than that. Please realize you guys are worth way more than the garbage TA sitting in front of you.

Don't accept anything less than:

-min 12 days off line holders and reserve
-duty/trip rigs
-full cancellation pay leg-by-leg
-either no junior manning or all pay on a day off is paid at 200% with another paid day off
-at least 9% 401k contribution from company.
-cap health insurance premiums at 25%
-there's too many things to list. Basically wait to see the bullet points for AWACS TA, and shoot for higher than that.

If we can't improve our careers at a time when they can't recruit pilots because of how awful the pay is, what does that say about us. Don't accept less than your worth, or don't complain if you do. You'd only have yourselves to blame at that point. Balls in your court now.
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