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Old 01-10-2017, 02:42 PM   #211
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I think we can all agree that the pool is not the same as starting class at aa. You still get junior manned at envoy while your in the "pool"
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Old 01-10-2017, 02:55 PM   #212
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Babs is correct as is the date I posted. The last pilot selected out of the 824 was the date I posted...the person accepted the flow and was put into the pool as of yesterday. While the end of the 824 as projected is as babs wrote...approx Sep 04.

What some of the simple minded folds like ag, is that there were years where there was 0 hiring; thus flow (and upgrades) are currently dropping dramatically because of the leaps of years where there was little to no hiring. Like once we push through the 2011 new hires for upgrades the actual upgrade time will fall dramatically.
This. Simple minded fools is an accurate statement. The dramatic dropping of upgrade and flow is already in progress. The math is all right there in the projections. Where the final numbers are listed on Envoyair.

Some people have no common sense and have trouble with math and facts. That's pretty apparent here in this thread.
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Old 01-10-2017, 03:57 PM   #213
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Hahaha, that's what I was thinking. 13.5 and 16 are pretty far!!! How could you use such wrong numbers!!
Quoting yourself again? Well done
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Old 01-10-2017, 04:16 PM   #214
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Flow will be down to 11 years or less by the end of the year, and dropping.

2004, 2005, 2006 hires will go this year, 2007 hires start going around the first of 2018. Higher CA attrition could even accelerate that.
This isn't a guarantee, unfortunately. I am a 2006 hire and no longer believe I will be going this year. Nobody hopes I'm wrong more than me.

Even dacuj, who also claims to be a 2006 hire, accidentally admitted he expects to go in 2018. It would take a large amount of extra flows over the contractual minimum to get through all of the 2006 hires this year. I'm hoping I go before June 2018 now.
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Old 01-10-2017, 04:20 PM   #215
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This. Simple minded fools is an accurate statement. The dramatic dropping of upgrade and flow is already in progress. The math is all right there in the projections. Where the final numbers are listed on Envoyair.

Some people have no common sense and have trouble with math and facts. That's pretty apparent here in this thread.
It's true that some people have problems with simple math. It's also true that some people are inflating the numbers, people like you. If you truly believe the flow is good, why not just tell the truth? Why tell people to plan on 40 when anyone already here could see that staffing levels wouldn't be able to support sending extra pilots?
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Old 01-10-2017, 04:23 PM   #216
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I think we can all agree that the pool is not the same as starting class at aa. You still get junior manned at envoy while your in the "pool"
While this is technically true, recently I think they've kept the pool to a month or two, I believe so there is time to finish paperwork involved.
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Old 01-10-2017, 07:30 PM   #217
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Thank you for the good info guys.I understand I should stay away from CRJs & 145 ORD & DFW will offer most flying & 145 LGA will be shortest reserve.
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Keeping in mind that I will start training end of Jan meaning I hit the line in 7-9 weeks after that;
How long can I expect to sit reserve if I chose 145ORD or 145DFW ?
Also if the 145LGA is a shorter reserve ( any guesses on how much will that be ) will I be able to fly more by picking up some flying on my day offs once I can hold line ?
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Old 01-11-2017, 03:46 AM   #218
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Thank you for the good info guys.I understand I should stay away from CRJs & 145 ORD & DFW will offer most flying & 145 LGA will be shortest reserve.
Follow up questions;
Keeping in mind that I will start training end of Jan meaning I hit the line in 7-9 weeks after that;
How long can I expect to sit reserve if I chose 145ORD or 145DFW ?
Also if the 145LGA is a shorter reserve ( any guesses on how much will that be ) will I be able to fly more by picking up some flying on my day offs once I can hold line ?
I think you are stressing about quick flying too much, while some bases and equipment fly more in some months, it is likely to be a wash over the course of a year or two. If able pick the base and equipment you want, at the end of the day pick the best base available for your situation.

NY temds to be more junior, there is a bid that could see 25 to 50 FO leave NY to DFW and possibly ORD. The place that is the shortest path to a line today might not be tomorrow.

Example, the last E75 line holder is likely on the pipeline already, there are only 25 to 35 current FO on that equipment that will see an upgrade in the next 2 years, so those heading into the E75 will be junior for a while unless the fleet grows.

Example, Ny the base is growing and junior. Likely to see movement as people shift but with ORD slated to shrink and if not backfilled for those whom are leaving the folks junior in ORD will be junior for a while, today ORD E45 is the fastest line on the E45.

Example, DFW E45, longest path to a line on the E45, however the status Just posted a vacancy for FO and has been backfilled the last couple of bids.

Example, CRJ, fleet shrinking and could see little movement but a delay in the transfers for whatever reason would see this change.

If you commute vs live in base makes a big difference in OT pick up. If you live in NY but 2 hours away and the construction in LGA is much different than living in DFW. Not to sound repetitive, but based your equipment and base on where do you want to be away from work and hopefully is available or on an equipment that could get you there.
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Just saw on Glassdoor that Envoy is hiring mechanics for LAX. We currently have mx going on there? Thanks!
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Old 01-11-2017, 05:31 AM   #220
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Just saw on Glassdoor that Envoy is hiring mechanics for LAX. We currently have mx going on there? Thanks!
It looks like it's a GSE mechanic. I could have missed it, but I didn't see any A&P mechanic openings on Glassdoor.
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