Awesome! Thank you for the info!

 

Your telling me that Over 30000 mainline pilots you have never talked to one that came from mokulele, shuttle, us airways jets for jobs, Chautauqua, frontier, and what ever company I missed the republic owned?



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In 2014-2015 Republic was losing pilots monthly to both US and DAL. I personally know at least s dozen that went to DAL in 2015. I left early 2018, and I think the union said less then 40 for the entire year (2017) left to big 3. The numbers have definitely dwindled over the last several years. I believe this is common knowledge on the line at Republic.

 

Less than 40 went to the Big 3? Out of a pilot group that’s 2000+ strong?

This confirms my hunch. It’s not that I spoke to all 30,000 mainline pilots and none came from RAH, just the the ones I’ve spoken to didn’t come from RAH. Actually, I know of an AA pilot who flew for Chautauqua, but he got hired about a decade ago? I’m referring to more recent numbers.

Again, I don’t want to come off like I’m insulting the pilot group. That’s not my intention. I just wanted some info on the matter is all.

 

In my recruiting materials, there’s a chart that says 24% of the pilots who leave go to one of the legacies. Next one down is Southwest at 19%. After that is all the Spirits, Allegiants, etc. So actually, according to that chart, Southwest is #1 at 19%, and the legacies average 8% each.

 

But of those that go to the legacies a half to two thirds of those have prior military background. For those of us without that experience, it dampens expectations to move on to one of those carriers. That’s what the recruiting chart doesn’t show, hence the talk about it.


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Exactly. I also find it deceptive that 1) they combine the 3 legacies so they can make it a bigger number, and 2) the “bar” lengths in the bar graph are not proportional to each other — the 24% legacy bar is intentionally made longer to give the visual impression that a large number of RAH pilots go there.

 

And where are the stats that show how many guys applied? Or how many years they had in? Training failures? Background issues? Years of education? GPA? Interest in mainline to begin with? Was mainline hiring? Etc....

The point being these are just dry numbers. You can’t justify anything off of these stats without knowing any of the above mentioned. Republic does not have a flow.... Your the flow!

The guys with military experience have a “full” resume. They can check the “volunteer” box and possibly “leadership” box depending on what they did. Civilians need to put effort into that in order to be competitive and this doesn’t necessarily mean “leadership” positions at the airline or union.

Unfortunately, the regionals set a bad example during their hiring sprees. There is no “pilot shortage” at mainline, so it involves selling yourself to get a job and a lot of younger guys with no experience outside of being a CFI or just the aviation industry have a hard time demonstrating this and lack the effort because they were “handed” their first 121 job. The regional bought them... What I’m seeing nowadays is guys who are just flight hour motivated, which is really the last thing that makes you competitive.

If you’re going to use dry statistics like these to base your decisions off of without using basic logic then you’re making a mistake.

 

The point is that when looking at how many the legacies hired last year and the size of our pilot group that number should be larger.


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Agreed.

But I can’t support people who believe Republic’s name is damaging to their chances. Look at the individual that’s applying.

Personally, if something doesn’t go my way, then the first thing I look at/blame is myself before I even consider any outside factors and it works! I don’t want to generalize, but you seldom see this discipline this day and age. It’s always somebody else’s fault.