Not a smart move
10-04-2019 | 03:55 PM
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You missed the point entirely, a change to an FOM approved by the FAA will have little or no bearing in a civil case as it is not considered legislature. An FOM change is not rules upon by a judge and is not legal precedent.
A judge doesnt care about any pilot "making the walk" per 121.547. The entire basis of this disagreement will be on the intent and letter of the contract, what parts were amenable and when, and the current interpretation and impact.
If AAG sues over this, which is laughably unlikely, it will not be debated over the control limits of FOM revisions. It will more likely fall under the agreements that AAG had with RAH regarding jumpseat listing and priority. FAR 121, or any FARs for that matter, will not be a basis or brought up at all.
If the contract stated jumpseat priority was to be dealt with in a certain way, and it is not being dealt with in the way outlined in the contract between AAG, and RAH, that is what the basis of a breach of contract lawsuit will be based upon. The contract between AAG and RAH is not by any means a FAR, it wont be judged as an FAR, it wont be ruled upon by the same manner FARs are ruled upon (NPRM, waiting periods, etc). The FAA and RAHs FOM are not a legal defense.
This is all a moot point, AAGs legal team is more likely being paid for defense against claims from passengers, carbon taxes, etc. Anybody within AAG knows that the CEO doesnt give 2 ****s about how easy their pilots lives are, let alone something as insignificant as JS priority. No lawsuit will be filed and it will probably be hashed out by the unions or management.
Once again, i side with the RAH pilots on this, but thinking that the FOM revision is a golden bullet is foolish.
A judge doesnt care about any pilot "making the walk" per 121.547. The entire basis of this disagreement will be on the intent and letter of the contract, what parts were amenable and when, and the current interpretation and impact.
If AAG sues over this, which is laughably unlikely, it will not be debated over the control limits of FOM revisions. It will more likely fall under the agreements that AAG had with RAH regarding jumpseat listing and priority. FAR 121, or any FARs for that matter, will not be a basis or brought up at all.
If the contract stated jumpseat priority was to be dealt with in a certain way, and it is not being dealt with in the way outlined in the contract between AAG, and RAH, that is what the basis of a breach of contract lawsuit will be based upon. The contract between AAG and RAH is not by any means a FAR, it wont be judged as an FAR, it wont be ruled upon by the same manner FARs are ruled upon (NPRM, waiting periods, etc). The FAA and RAHs FOM are not a legal defense.
This is all a moot point, AAGs legal team is more likely being paid for defense against claims from passengers, carbon taxes, etc. Anybody within AAG knows that the CEO doesnt give 2 ****s about how easy their pilots lives are, let alone something as insignificant as JS priority. No lawsuit will be filed and it will probably be hashed out by the unions or management.
Once again, i side with the RAH pilots on this, but thinking that the FOM revision is a golden bullet is foolish.
10-04-2019 | 04:49 PM
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So....UAL is dumping republics priority now. Any reason?
10-04-2019 | 10:36 PM
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Its probably part of the new Aviate program that United just started. Pretty sure Republic isn’t part of the program, but neither is Skywest. We are suppose to provide non-rev passes to Destination 225 at southwest, so I assume this is probably the same thing. Probably not a Jumpseat issue, but a higher priority for non-rev. This shouldn’t be surprising, because even the interns have a higher priority then the regionals.
10-05-2019 | 07:03 AM
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Its probably part of the new Aviate program that United just started. Pretty sure Republic isn’t part of the program, but neither is Skywest. We are suppose to provide non-rev passes to Destination 225 at southwest, so I assume this is probably the same thing. Probably not a Jumpseat issue, but a higher priority for non-rev. This shouldn’t be surprising, because even the interns have a higher priority then the regionals.
Good thing Republic has a solid commuter clause. Oh wait....
10-06-2019 | 05:36 AM
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Your JS priority is a carry over from when RAH was all separate little companies like Chautauqua and Shuttle and each did the CPA flying for a branded mainline. A Chautauqua guy didn't get priority boarding on all three mainlines.....
This probably won't end well for RAH.
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10-06-2019 | 06:42 AM
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You must not have too many years behind ya. UA tried the same BS move in the past with Republic as well and didn’t work out in their favor. OO, YV and YX are all aligned against this move again. In my opinion UA is trying to differentiate their Aviate regionals any way possible to advertise a positive for working at one.
10-06-2019 | 06:59 AM
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Your JS priority is a carry over from when RAH was all separate little companies like Chautauqua and Shuttle and each did the CPA flying for a branded mainline. A Chautauqua guy didn't get priority boarding on all three mainlines.....
This probably won't end well for RAH.
This probably won't end well for RAH.
10-06-2019 | 07:17 AM
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So it's official, 9000 regional
pilots get OAL status while U mainline goes to top priority? Well this should be fun!
pilots get OAL status while U mainline goes to top priority? Well this should be fun!
Last edited by tomgoodman; 10-06-2019 at 09:12 AM. Reason: Improper language
10-06-2019 | 07:39 AM
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Your JS priority is a carry over from when RAH was all separate little companies like Chautauqua and Shuttle and each did the CPA flying for a branded mainline. A Chautauqua guy didn't get priority boarding on all three mainlines.....
This probably won't end well for RAH.
This probably won't end well for RAH.
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