Med Jet Lear 35A down @ El Cajon/Gillespie
01-04-2022 | 09:11 PM
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What's with all these guys starting YouTube channels to comment on airplane crashes before investigations are done? I can support reporting sources like Kathryn's or Avherald. I can support those accident shows that come out on cable TV after investigations are done. I can support the YouTube channels that simplify investigations for lay observers. YouTube channels that offer "insight" on accidents before the facts are out seem unhelpful at best.
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01-04-2022 | 10:01 PM
#62
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What's with all these guys starting YouTube channels to comment on airplane crashes before investigations are done? I can support reporting sources like Kathryn's or Avherald. I can support those accident shows that come out on cable TV after investigations are done. I can support the YouTube channels that simplify investigations for lay observers. YouTube channels that offer "insight" on accidents before the facts are out seem unhelpful at best.
01-04-2022 | 10:16 PM
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What's with all these guys starting YouTube channels to comment on airplane crashes before investigations are done? I can support reporting sources like Kathryn's or Avherald. I can support those accident shows that come out on cable TV after investigations are done. I can support the YouTube channels that simplify investigations for lay observers. YouTube channels that offer "insight" on accidents before the facts are out seem unhelpful at best.
01-05-2022 | 05:52 AM
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What's with all these guys starting YouTube channels to comment on airplane crashes before investigations are done? I can support reporting sources like Kathryn's or Avherald. I can support those accident shows that come out on cable TV after investigations are done. I can support the YouTube channels that simplify investigations for lay observers. YouTube channels that offer "insight" on accidents before the facts are out seem unhelpful at best.
You have a point there. On the other hand, the NTSB taking 2-3 years to get a report out is ridiculous. In the military you have 30 days to get a mishap report out, it gets briefed up the chain of command in a week or ten days, then pretty much becomes public. The NTSB needs to get out info quicker.
I understand *why* the gov sits on things... there's no upside for bureaucrats to rush or go out on a limb, but there is political/career downside if they jump the gun, get it wrong, and create economic consequences for somebody. Nature of the beast.
01-05-2022 | 06:50 AM
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When the ‘final’ report comes out that’s what it means. I’d like the NTSB to get it right and they frequently battle with the FAA over recommendations which are not being picked up.
Its not like they can pull a video and post another one because they got facts wrong.
I don’t mind the likes of Dan and Blancolino or wtf his name is, they tend to provide a lot of decent information although you always have to put it through your “unofficial source” filter.
Its like talking to another pilot at another airport about the weather and runway conditions.
They may be knowledgeable and on the ball but they’re not n official source so you can’t dispatch. That’s how it treat it anyway.
I certainly do my share of Monday morning quarterbacking on this forum.
Its not like they can pull a video and post another one because they got facts wrong.
I don’t mind the likes of Dan and Blancolino or wtf his name is, they tend to provide a lot of decent information although you always have to put it through your “unofficial source” filter.
Its like talking to another pilot at another airport about the weather and runway conditions.
They may be knowledgeable and on the ball but they’re not n official source so you can’t dispatch. That’s how it treat it anyway.
I certainly do my share of Monday morning quarterbacking on this forum.
01-05-2022 | 08:08 AM
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The Advent of ADS-B has made it a lot easier to figure out what happened in an accident. It's not perfect but it gives you a pretty good idea. Truckee, and now this accident had ADS-B data that makes it pretty easy, although again it's not perfect and you still need the NTSB for CVR transcripts and a lot of other data.
This podcast on YouTube goes into a great deal of detail about this accident. A bit long at 55 minutes but a lot of info. The pilot being interviewed tried the same approach in a simulator in daytime conditions and at one point he said he hit 60 degrees of bank trying to rack it around.
https://youtu.be/y-YJXW0yPuo
This podcast on YouTube goes into a great deal of detail about this accident. A bit long at 55 minutes but a lot of info. The pilot being interviewed tried the same approach in a simulator in daytime conditions and at one point he said he hit 60 degrees of bank trying to rack it around.
https://youtu.be/y-YJXW0yPuo
When the ‘final’ report comes out that’s what it means. I’d like the NTSB to get it right and they frequently battle with the FAA over recommendations which are not being picked up.
Its not like they can pull a video and post another one because they got facts wrong.
I don’t mind the likes of Dan and Blancolino or wtf his name is, they tend to provide a lot of decent information although you always have to put it through your “unofficial source” filter.
Its like talking to another pilot at another airport about the weather and runway conditions.
They may be knowledgeable and on the ball but they’re not n official source so you can’t dispatch. That’s how it treat it anyway.
I certainly do my share of Monday morning quarterbacking on this forum.
Its not like they can pull a video and post another one because they got facts wrong.
I don’t mind the likes of Dan and Blancolino or wtf his name is, they tend to provide a lot of decent information although you always have to put it through your “unofficial source” filter.
Its like talking to another pilot at another airport about the weather and runway conditions.
They may be knowledgeable and on the ball but they’re not n official source so you can’t dispatch. That’s how it treat it anyway.
I certainly do my share of Monday morning quarterbacking on this forum.
01-05-2022 | 09:22 AM
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You have a point there. On the other hand, the NTSB taking 2-3 years to get a report out is ridiculous. In the military you have 30 days to get a mishap report out, it gets briefed up the chain of command in a week or ten days, then pretty much becomes public. The NTSB needs to get out info quicker.
01-05-2022 | 09:46 AM
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My experience with government bureaucrats is never sign off on anything until all the i’s are dotted and all the t’s are crossed. If there is a reason to delay it and not sign off, they will. Slow and lack of blame is better than more rapid but still well done. No reward for speed. Lots of punishment for a slight not following regulations. Drag your feet, no one can fault you for not issuing a report.
01-05-2022 | 10:50 AM
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From: Paahlot
I think we are diverging from the probable cause though.
Not to jump to conclusions, I don’t think this accident needs metallurgical analysis of engine parts or other accident investigation components that take a long time.
Not to jump to conclusions, I don’t think this accident needs metallurgical analysis of engine parts or other accident investigation components that take a long time.
01-05-2022 | 01:53 PM
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You have a point there. On the other hand, the NTSB taking 2-3 years to get a report out is ridiculous. In the military you have 30 days to get a mishap report out, it gets briefed up the chain of command in a week or ten days, then pretty much becomes public. The NTSB needs to get out info quicker.
The NTSB has investigations going into their third year without a report—northern Maine RJ in the snow for one. They just tossed the Greenville, SC DA-50 accident that should have nuked the FSDO. Having a transport category bizjet overrun with two unqualified pilots is beyond comprehension and the report barely touched that as causal.
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