KMGM accident 12/31
#31
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It was #1, I don't think the 175 has a cargo door on the left side.
Personally I like the beacon... still controlled by the CA, cannot be misunderstood and everyone on the ramp can see it if they care to look. But no reason not to also have a hand signal to the marshaller, who then signals the rest of them. Beacon is a backup in case of misunderstanding.
Personally I like the beacon... still controlled by the CA, cannot be misunderstood and everyone on the ramp can see it if they care to look. But no reason not to also have a hand signal to the marshaller, who then signals the rest of them. Beacon is a backup in case of misunderstanding.
#32
The marsheller walks away half the time before giving the chocks in signal. Most of These guys are so clueless - have had an engine running due to no APU and the fueler is hooked up refueling as soon as we pull into the gate and everyone starts unloading bags before the gate even pulls up. And if you’re waiting for a gate agent, they don’t care, they’re robots and don’t have any situational awareness for the most part.
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#35
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It was #1, I don't think the 175 has a cargo door on the left side.
Personally I like the beacon... still controlled by the CA, cannot be misunderstood and everyone on the ramp can see it if they care to look. But no reason not to also have a hand signal to the marshaller, who then signals the rest of them. Beacon is a backup in case of misunderstanding.
Personally I like the beacon... still controlled by the CA, cannot be misunderstood and everyone on the ramp can see it if they care to look. But no reason not to also have a hand signal to the marshaller, who then signals the rest of them. Beacon is a backup in case of misunderstanding.
#38
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These ramp incidents (opening doors and approaching the plane inappropriately) happened all the time at Envoy (like around monthly). Multiple times I had someone open the cargo door with #2 still running (short taxi so not enough cooling time). The standard op on the 175 with APU inop is shut down #2 when you can, and then shut down #1 when GPU is plugged in. There is never any reason for a ramper to approach engine #1 even with APU inop.
The only reason I can think of was that ops knew plane had inop APU so they wanted to plug in PCA as well as the GPU. That connection is under the plane and you pull it right in front of #1. This is speculation and I don't know for sure.
Some ambulance chaser lawyer is gonna get a huge payday soon, this is a systematic issue with rampers and their training and culture of fear and rush, and I bet AA will settle for 8 figures. The ramp is a dangerous place, but their training is almost non-existent.
The only reason I can think of was that ops knew plane had inop APU so they wanted to plug in PCA as well as the GPU. That connection is under the plane and you pull it right in front of #1. This is speculation and I don't know for sure.
Some ambulance chaser lawyer is gonna get a huge payday soon, this is a systematic issue with rampers and their training and culture of fear and rush, and I bet AA will settle for 8 figures. The ramp is a dangerous place, but their training is almost non-existent.
Last edited by dera; 01-01-2023 at 01:26 PM.
#39
I don't know that there is one.
I was suggesting that the CA signal the marshaller when all engines are off.. only then would the marshaller allow the other rampers to approach the aircraft. CA could signal for ground power prior to that to indicate that they should proceed with that before all engines off.
I bet they come up with something like that after this deal though.
I was suggesting that the CA signal the marshaller when all engines are off.. only then would the marshaller allow the other rampers to approach the aircraft. CA could signal for ground power prior to that to indicate that they should proceed with that before all engines off.
I bet they come up with something like that after this deal though.
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