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Old 01-06-2023, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by dera View Post
All of this +++.

As someone who has processed these reports, read and filed the ASAPs, and argued with CPO about all this, this is so incredibly frustrating.

My exact words a few years ago at CPO, "does someone have to die" and CPO responded "oh who cares". Not even kidding. All about the T0 time, who cares about anything else.

I hope someone sues the sh*t out of them.
Oh, I hope they do too. Hopefully those moves are already being made. Can only imagine how this would go in front of a jury when all the finer details of the culture and toxicity are put out there. Doubt the MAAinline would let it go that far.

Like you, I find it so frustrating and senseless. I get angry when rereading my post and thinking of it. Just terrible thinking of her children and my heart goes out to them.
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Old 01-06-2023, 10:53 AM
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I had only just set the brake on the 321 on Tuesday night - only days after this horrible accident happened - when we got the forward cargo door open ECAM. What in the actual F?! I quickly shut them both down and just shook my head. Somebody literally just got sucked into a smaller jet engine only days prior, but here we are, back to walking directly in front of a jet engine with an 8 foot wide inlet idling away.

We were absolutely dumbfounded. Somehow one would think that EVERY ramper at AA and its regional affiliates would be VERY aware of what just happened and would be really, really wary of that giant vacuum cleaner with blades spinning out there.
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Old 01-06-2023, 11:34 AM
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I had only just set the brake on the 321 on Tuesday night - only days after this horrible accident happened - when we got the forward cargo door open ECAM. What in the actual F?! I quickly shut them both down and just shook my head. Somebody literally just got sucked into a smaller jet engine only days prior, but here we are, back to walking directly in front of a jet engine with an 8 foot wide inlet idling away.

We were absolutely dumbfounded. Somehow one would think that EVERY ramper at AA and its regional affiliates would be VERY aware of what just happened and would be really, really wary of that giant vacuum cleaner with blades spinning out there.
I haven't had it happen in like 6 months, but every time that door is opened before I shut down you bet I'm having a stern word with the agents
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Old 01-06-2023, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice View Post
I had only just set the brake on the 321 on Tuesday night - only days after this horrible accident happened - when we got the forward cargo door open ECAM. What in the actual F?! I quickly shut them both down and just shook my head. Somebody literally just got sucked into a smaller jet engine only days prior, but here we are, back to walking directly in front of a jet engine with an 8 foot wide inlet idling away.

We were absolutely dumbfounded. Somehow one would think that EVERY ramper at AA and its regional affiliates would be VERY aware of what just happened and would be really, really wary of that giant vacuum cleaner with blades spinning out there.
The fact that anyone who's flown in the AA system has these stories should show how bad things really are.
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Old 01-23-2023, 07:08 PM
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https://youtu.be/Fya2ScTMrFc

Good video going over the NTSB preliminary report. APU on MEL. F/O opened his window to shout at someone getting too close to #2. The accident victim walked along the left wing until being sucked into #1. And they knew the jet was coming in with no APU. They did a safety briefing ten minutes before the accident.
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Old 01-23-2023, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by AirBear View Post
https://youtu.be/Fya2ScTMrFc

Good video going over the NTSB preliminary report. APU on MEL. F/O opened his window to shout at someone getting too close to #2. The accident victim walked along the left wing until being sucked into #1. And they knew the jet was coming in with no APU. They did a safety briefing ten minutes before the accident.
Upper beacon was visible in the video. So the CA didn't screw that up. Lower beacon not visible but I'm certain it has been tested.
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Old 01-24-2023, 10:24 PM
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The "safety briefing" 10 minutes before, and the huddle prior, are just CYA. Their briefings are a joke and we've all seen the "huddle" where they show up, with their earpods on jamming to their music, just so it looks like they do it.
The ramp guys are woefully undertrained and as we can all see from the excerpt from the manual (which they don't read), AAG is just trying to cover their butts. That's their modus operandi on these. "Oh, the manual did say you can't do that, it's on page 387, and you signed this form where you say you have read and understood it".

Just look how bad the ramp operation was. Cargo door was opened (by a different ramper) while Eng #2 was still running (almost everyone who has flown in the AA system has seen that), and the poor ramper walked along the leading edge straight to a running engine. This is a systemic issue, but they are trying to make it look like it's just a ramper who didn't do what she was told to do.

This is what happens when you penny pinch, hire rampers on minimum wage under regional contracts, and train them by a computer module for a few hours.
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Old 01-25-2023, 03:31 AM
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The "safety briefing" 10 minutes before, and the huddle prior, are just CYA. Their briefings are a joke and we've all seen the "huddle" where they show up, with their earpods on jamming to their music, just so it looks like they do it.
The ramp guys are woefully undertrained and as we can all see from the excerpt from the manual (which they don't read), AAG is just trying to cover their butts. That's their modus operandi on these. "Oh, the manual did say you can't do that, it's on page 387, and you signed this form where you say you have read and understood it".

Just look how bad the ramp operation was. Cargo door was opened (by a different ramper) while Eng #2 was still running (almost everyone who has flown in the AA system has seen that), and the poor ramper walked along the leading edge straight to a running engine. This is a systemic issue, but they are trying to make it look like it's just a ramper who didn't do what she was told to do.

This is what happens when you penny pinch, hire rampers on minimum wage under regional contracts, and train them by a computer module for a few hours.
So you were there?
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Old 01-25-2023, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by dera View Post
The "safety briefing" 10 minutes before, and the huddle prior, are just CYA. Their briefings are a joke and we've all seen the "huddle" where they show up, with their earpods on jamming to their music, just so it looks like they do it.
The ramp guys are woefully undertrained and as we can all see from the excerpt from the manual (which they don't read), AAG is just trying to cover their butts. That's their modus operandi on these. "Oh, the manual did say you can't do that, it's on page 387, and you signed this form where you say you have read and understood it".

Just look how bad the ramp operation was. Cargo door was opened (by a different ramper) while Eng #2 was still running (almost everyone who has flown in the AA system has seen that), and the poor ramper walked along the leading edge straight to a running engine. This is a systemic issue, but they are trying to make it look like it's just a ramper who didn't do what she was told to do.

This is what happens when you penny pinch, hire rampers on minimum wage under regional contracts, and train them by a computer module for a few hours.
Yeah but still... the one *really* important thing that all the rampers need to know is: Don't get near the 30,000 hp, 6' diameter cuisinart until you're certain it's off and spooled down.

Pretty damning that they can't even get that right.
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Yeah but still... the one *really* important thing that all the rampers need to know is: Don't get near the 30,000 hp, 6' diameter cuisinart until you're certain it's off and spooled down.

Pretty damning that they can't even get that right.
Just follow that rule not to approach the engine until you can see the individual fan blades turning. Simple.
I hope the NTSB does a through investigation. If it's poor training and/or a culture problem I hope they say so and put some heat on the company.
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