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Old 01-25-2023, 11:09 AM
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NTSB prelim is out. It reads like half the ground crew is mindlessly performing their tasks with zero awareness and/or regard of big wide spinning death X 2. By my count there were at least 4 instances of ground crew being verbally reminded to keep their distance. I’m not sure what to make of that, quite honestly.

One would think that footage of the sailor on an aircraft carrier deck being sucked into a jet intake would be standard viewing for any ground crew. Very hard to forget seeing something like that.
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Old 01-25-2023, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
Yeah but still... the one *really* important thing that all the rampers need to know is: Don't get near the 30,000 hp, 6' diameter cuisinart until you're certain it's off and spooled down.

Pretty damning that they can't even get that right.
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Old 01-26-2023, 06:00 AM
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It's tough to understand how anyone would put themselves in the position this ramp agent did. How distracted or impaired would someone need to be to make an error of this magnitude?

I'm curious how many days this aircraft was operating with the APU deferred? We've all seen airlines use the MEL "can be inoperative up to XX days" as a goal, rather than a short-term dispatch tool. While it may not have made a difference in this case, I think there should be a hard look at changing the APU deferral category from C to B. This would allow airlines to maintain schedule integrity when an APU breaks, but limit the risk to ground personnel.

We've seen some ramp agents are either poorly selected for hiring, poorly trained, or can't remember their training when it matters. Why not cut down the potential exposure to this hazard?

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Old 01-26-2023, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by irrelevant View Post
I'm curious how many days this aircraft was operating with the APU deferred? We've all seen airlines use the MEL "can be inoperative up to XX days" as a goal, rather than a short-term dispatch tool. While it may not have made a difference in this case, I think there should be a hard look at changing the APU deferral category from C to B. This would allow airlines to maintain schedule integrity when an APU breaks, but limit the risk to ground personnel.
I don't disagree but I'm not sure that the FAA's mandate extends quite as far as changing operating procedures because a somebody on the ground might walk into an operating engine. Maybe.

Their calculus on that would be stats related to the risks of going single-generator in the event of an engine failure. Probably not ramp safety. Or pax safety on a hot day.


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Old 01-26-2023, 12:12 PM
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That's what I keep saying, and as someone who was reading these reports, this was an entirely preventable accident.

I hope someone sues the sh(t out of them. They deserve it.
Workplace accident. Wouldn't' recovery be limited to Workers Compensation?
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Old 01-26-2023, 12:38 PM
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I think the persons schedule and how much overtime was worked and the level of fatigue to be more important then changing an APU category.
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Old 01-26-2023, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by kevinc5 View Post
Workplace accident. Wouldn't' recovery be limited to Workers Compensation?
Depends. On circumstances and state. If I had to guess somebody will find a way for the heirs to proceed with a lawsuit in this case... it's worth jumping through hoops to get in front of a jury (or even a judge) due to the horrific nature of the accident.

Example: Third party claim against AA, Embraer, MGM airport, etc
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Old 01-31-2023, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by kevinc5 View Post
Workplace accident. Wouldn't' recovery be limited to Workers Compensation?
Pretty sure negligence removes that limitation.
Knowing how the ramp operates at AAG regionals, it won't take much to find plenty of examples of it.
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Old 06-17-2023, 06:11 PM
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Apparently Piedmont was fined $15k for the incident:

https://nypost.com/2023/06/16/airlin...-plane-engine/
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Old 06-19-2023, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer View Post
Apparently Piedmont was fined $15k for the incident:

https://nypost.com/2023/06/16/airlin...-plane-engine/

That was from OHSA. $15k was the max, it's just bureaucratic admin.
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