pagey

How much did you make your first year with an airline? How would completing rest rules increase pilot pay?

olympic

Hopefully people wake up after watching this... We don't see this in Europe, because you are required 95% to live at your base.

lolwut

ABE is doing a story on pilot fatigue...

Pilot Fatigue and 'Crash Pads' Threaten The Safety Of Airline Passengers - ABC News

You can tell them your own stories. Tell them what its really like, not the ATA or RAA's version of things.

Calling All Airline Pilots, Crew: Share Your Commuting and Fatigue Stories - ABC News

They talk a lot about commuting but don't really mention our 16 hour days, 8 hour "rest periods," continuous duty overnights, or switching sleep cycles. We need to make sure this gets blamed on the what the regs allow airlines to push us to, not some irresponsible commuting practices that most of us arent even involved in.

meeko031

publicity that they don't want/need

Grumble

You're talking two differnt things, but never mind that you're diluding yourself if you think the TSA is anything less than the worlds most expensive charade.

People need to be allowed to fail. Maybe if they'd done their due diligence they wouldn't have taken out a $100K loan for a $19K/year job.

Again, lack of personal responsibility. The governments role was never intended to be there as a safety net. Hell Hurrican Katrina should've been an eye opener for people that thought that. You're asking for a tax payer funded nanny state, which is what has brough us to this state we're in. California is a case study in entitlement programs and the failure of such.

What you're basically asking for is my tax dollars to fund your stupid desicions. Not just you, but millions of people. Where does it end? (Rhetorical question, we're teetering on the brink of seeing where the end is)


If that were the case here, pay would have to go way WAY up for people to not only afford to live in some these domiciles, but to put up with it. No one wants to live in Detroit or Newark, (insert other shatty base here).

chuckyt1

The choice I was talking about was the choice to commute. The merits of accepting a job at low wages, when you have a family to support and debt to pay, are enough to start another thread.

Personally, I just don't like the idea of using the government to bail us out of situations we've put ourselves into.

Like I said, tough choice. One that I have been directly impacted by on more than one occasion.

Cheers

Edit: Well said Grumble

Fly Boy Knight

Couldn't have said it better myself. NOBODY put a gun to your head and told you to become a pilot and work under these conditions. It is the same thing as when you sign up for a credit card and get railed by the interest rate that you didn't ready in the contract because you.... didn't read the contract. Nobody is party to your interest rate on your credit card except YOU!!! The same applies to your line of work. The aviation industry has plenty of "good" aspects that draw you in and if you don't research it good enough, you find yourself getting railed by bad work conditions.

That said, I moved across the entire US TWICE for my pilot job at my own expense. Why...so I can actually live where I fly to avoid said problems. NOBODY BUT YOURSELF is party to your decision to commute, your decision to live out of your base town, and your decision to take a job knowing you could be based in BFE.

DashDriverYV

Sorry, too tired to comment right now.

Fly Boy Knight

I get it. I see what you are saying. You want the government to come in and change the conditions you so readily accepted on day 1 of training. So, to be frank, what you really want is for the government to control your life, your job, your pay, your benefits, etc. Basically, you want the government to cease all of your personal property and possessions and provide you with what they consider to be "needed." Yeah, I'd say that is about the essence of Socialism. I hear Vietnam is quite nice this year. You should check into it. You might find that....it sucks!

That rant being said, I still stand in awe at home many people out there believe that they are being screwed by their airline's management and that they literally are being "forced" to be subject to such harsh work conditions. Every single aspect of your life is dictated by the choices that a person makes. The amazing thing that this country, and the free-market capitalist system our country was founded on is that we are (supposed to be) 100% FREE to make our own choices. In our country, nobody ever stands before you and FORCES you to make any decision. In our industry, the conditions suck as much as you allow them to suck. By CHOOSING to accept a job with such conditions is a result of nothing but your OWN DECISION. When you get offered a job with crap pay, or without knowing where you are going to based, or without knowing all the little details that you want to know, you are consciously choosing to accept the conditions as presented.

Finally, when I accepted my flying job, I accepted it knowing knowing exactly what I was getting into and exactly what I was subjecting myself to. The reason why I did such a think was plain and simple..... because I chose to!

John Galt once said, "Every man builds his world in his own image. He has the power to choose, but no power to escape the necessity of choice. If he abdicates his power, he abdicates the status of man, and the grinding chaos of the irrational is what he achieves as his sphere of existence – by his own choice."

Funky Twins

I don't know what you folks from the perfect world have been sniffing, but for us in the imperfect world, we have bills to pay and families to support and dogs and cats to feed. That's why you see those rj pilots sleepiing on crewroom sofas and they are doing that not because they lack in personal responsibility.

The reason why the government should step in an do something about it is because evidently nothing is getting done to fix this obvious safety issue and ultimately the passengers will have to pay for it like they already did on this week 2 years ago in Buffalo.