ABC NEWS with Diane Sawyer on LGA Crashpad
02-10-2011, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyWilliams
What the government can and should do is complete the new rest rules. What pilots can do is not sign up for jobs that pay so poorly, that crashpads are the only option.
But then, that would be taking responsibility for you actions. Probably not going to happen, so let's have the government tax and spend a fix for this ;-)
But then, that would be taking responsibility for you actions. Probably not going to happen, so let's have the government tax and spend a fix for this ;-)
02-10-2011, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by f16jetmech
Amen sir. I believe that down to my bones. Capitilism does work! It may suk initially, but it will take it's course eventually. Chrysler survived the great depression but not this recent recession. Why because there was less economic movement or less sales? Hell no! It's cause there are too many unions and awful management. I think pilot unions are silly as well. If you run the company right, people will work for you. If you don't, people will leave. Free market econemy!
First off, why is it that every person who feels attacked starts with "you're just a cfi, how could you know anything?". Well first off, I know how life works. Jobs are jobs whether it's mcdonalds or a lawyer. I know how this country works and what makes it tick. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. Secondly, if it's all about money and profits and that's why the unions are in place, then why isn't that true about every single company in this country? There is proof that unions aren't the answer. All over this country, not just in one sector of the economy.
02-10-2011, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Moonwolf
I just wonder out of not really knowing the answer, what 121 pilot makes less that 17k a year? besides the GLA and Gulfstream guys. Does colgan/ skywest fall into that catergory?
02-10-2011, 07:53 PM
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The government (FAA) should change the flight time/duty time regs for one reason only....to make flying safer. They shouldn't give any tax breaks or make special arrangements for those pilots who choose to commute. Also, someone posted earlier about how 95% of pilots in Europe are forced to live in base. That would be interesting to see what would happen if the airlines or FAA decided to enforce something along those lines....pay would have to increase drastically in the regionals in order to make that happen, and since the regionals don't want to pay more, they will fight hard to make sure it never will. Even at that, living in base in the regionals would be hard to do anyway since they open and close their bases at will. Could you imagine having to move every couple years. Even if you were single with no ties to the area it would be a hassle.
02-10-2011, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by f16jetmech
First off, why is it that every person who feels attacked starts with "you're just a cfi, how could you know anything?". Well first off, I know how life works. Jobs are jobs whether it's mcdonalds or a lawyer. I know how this country works and what makes it tick. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. Secondly, if it's all about money and profits and that's why the unions are in place, then why isn't that true about every single company in this country? There is proof that unions aren't the answer. All over this country, not just in one sector of the economy.
Why do you think EVERY major airline (JetBlue and virgin America) and all but 1 regional (SkyWest) in the US has a union to represent them? Have you ever looked at why there are unions? Ever heard of the case "Skywest v don douglas? What about the recent United v Continental pilots (Scope)? Unions are there as a stop gap to in many ways to be means to "protect", negotiate contracts, and make sure they are upheld by the company.
If all you have done in the aviation industry was to be a cfi then I am sorry you have no idea what its like at a 121 carrier and why unions are and can be a good thing. Yea there are inefficiencies, but when unions and management are on the same page then things work great, when one side tries to take "control" more or less things start to go south. If it wasnt for unions to tell mgmt that "hey you cant do this" and even take things to court on your side, its a good thing.
Fatigue issues would be a bigger problem if it wasnt for the backing of all the unions in this industry. As much as ALPA can be a mess and a big corporation itself, there have been many improvements to the industry with the help and backing of ALPA.
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02-10-2011, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Funky Twins
I don't know what you folks from the perfect world have been sniffing, but for us in the imperfect world, we have bills to pay and families to support and dogs and cats to feed. That's why you see those rj pilots sleepiing on crewroom sofas and they are doing that not because they lack in personal responsibility.
The reason why the government should step in an do something about it is because evidently nothing is getting done to fix this obvious safety issue and ultimately the passengers will have to pay for it like they already did on this week 2 years ago in Buffalo.
The reason why the government should step in an do something about it is because evidently nothing is getting done to fix this obvious safety issue and ultimately the passengers will have to pay for it like they already did on this week 2 years ago in Buffalo.
Originally Posted by BHopper88
Words...
02-10-2011, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BHopper88
I by no means think the govt should help subsidize pilots that commute.. Its the job of the govt to make laws to govern how the airlines operate. But the airlines need to be corporately responsible for the work rules they create and the results of them causing those to commute.
Never give anyone the power to choose for you.
02-10-2011, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BHopper88
I personally commute to FAT from MCO, it sucks but I am fine with it, I tried the living in base thing for 2 years but it was a family choice and I was more willing to commute than have my wife be unhappy in FAT.
Ouch. How long is that commute?
You could live in the bay area, thats a nice place!
I hope that "awesome pay" was heavy on the sarcasm. Nice jab at the CFI's, I personally know several the make WAY more than any f/o at skywest, hell probably more that the captains.
and to end my rant, no I will not shut up as you so nicely put it. You said you lived at base for two yrs....then why would you choose to leave to the other side of the country? better line? better equipment? I don't get it.
02-10-2011, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Funky Twins
"I AM SHOCKED!" - Diane Sawyer.
Pilot Fatigue and 'Crash Pads' Threaten The Safety Of Airline Passengers - ABC News
Well, ABC NEWS Investigation opened this can of worms tonight, more detailed reports to be followed later on Nightline. Our fearless leader Captain Sully had some harsh words on this matter as well.
Whoever brought this tape over to ABC, hats off to ya!
(Who's crewroom is that anyway?)
Pilot Fatigue and 'Crash Pads' Threaten The Safety Of Airline Passengers - ABC News
Well, ABC NEWS Investigation opened this can of worms tonight, more detailed reports to be followed later on Nightline. Our fearless leader Captain Sully had some harsh words on this matter as well.
Whoever brought this tape over to ABC, hats off to ya!
(Who's crewroom is that anyway?)
But what do you expect from a major news network. I recall when NBC was reaching out to activists years ago to find out what corporation (at that time) was the most boycotted - the answer was GE. Of course they cut out GE in their 'investigative reporting'.
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