Plane off runway at Hobby
03-12-2013, 05:59 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by Noseeums
Perhaps he was too busy to mind that pesky taxiway line (they're for noobs anyway) and instead was giving the FO some life advice or lecture about:
1. The economy and what we have to do to fix it
2. How minorities and women pilots always get hired to mainline first
3. Some great penny stock he just put his life savings into
4. How he used to be addicted to crack, but turned his life around a Gulfstream Flight Academy
5. How he failed in everything else in life until this seniority-based promotion system gave him the opportunity to make $90,000/year with no education and no accountability
6. Some pointless rant about how some hotel didn't have stale toast and bagels this morning
7. How he doesn't understand why we have to do things the (insert airline name here) way
8. The impending pilot shortage. We're all going to be 797 captains!
9. His pretend "flow" to Delta, a shrinking airline
10. Add your own! This will be fun!
1. The economy and what we have to do to fix it
2. How minorities and women pilots always get hired to mainline first
3. Some great penny stock he just put his life savings into
4. How he used to be addicted to crack, but turned his life around a Gulfstream Flight Academy
5. How he failed in everything else in life until this seniority-based promotion system gave him the opportunity to make $90,000/year with no education and no accountability
6. Some pointless rant about how some hotel didn't have stale toast and bagels this morning
7. How he doesn't understand why we have to do things the (insert airline name here) way
8. The impending pilot shortage. We're all going to be 797 captains!
9. His pretend "flow" to Delta, a shrinking airline
10. Add your own! This will be fun!
12. I don't know why they paint taxi lines to begin with, all you have to do is stay on the pavement.... uh, errr, wooops!
03-12-2013, 06:13 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by STR8NLVL
Maybe. It didn't come across as sarcasm at all, in the face of numerous accusations that Colgan pilots were bringing down the safety record. It appears he was serious, and full of bologna...
Colgan pilots going to the CRJ got the exact same full initial training as every other pilot who is now flying at Pinnacle. Anyone saying that Colgan pilots can't handle a CRJ is ridiculous, they have been through the exact same training and passed the exact same checking events as every other guy sitting in a CRJ at Pinnacle. If anything, the Colgan guy might end up having better navigation skills than an original Pinnacle guy, just because flying a Beech or a Saab with /A required solid VOR and chart reading skills to get where you needed to go, as opposed to the simplicity of navigating with a GPS and FMS.
And yes, I speak from experience. I am just another Colgan lowlife who got displaced from the Saab. Yet somehow I've managed to not bend metal, get lost, stall the plane, or have any other huge difficulties learning a new plane. It's no different than any other guy newly coming to a CRJ from a Saab or Q. There is a learning curve, the key is to be humble and get guidance from the guy in the other seat who has invariably been sitting in a CRJ for longer than I have.
03-12-2013, 07:51 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by Gearswinger
Really? You must be a joy to be around if you can't get that level of sarcasm.
Colgan pilots going to the CRJ got the exact same full initial training as every other pilot who is now flying at Pinnacle. Anyone saying that Colgan pilots can't handle a CRJ is ridiculous, they have been through the exact same training and passed the exact same checking events as every other guy sitting in a CRJ at Pinnacle. If anything, the Colgan guy might end up having better navigation skills than an original Pinnacle guy, just because flying a Beech or a Saab with /A required solid VOR and chart reading skills to get where you needed to go, as opposed to the simplicity of navigating with a GPS and FMS.
And yes, I speak from experience. I am just another Colgan lowlife who got displaced from the Saab. Yet somehow I've managed to not bend metal, get lost, stall the plane, or have any other huge difficulties learning a new plane. It's no different than any other guy newly coming to a CRJ from a Saab or Q. There is a learning curve, the key is to be humble and get guidance from the guy in the other seat who has invariably been sitting in a CRJ for longer than I have.
Colgan pilots going to the CRJ got the exact same full initial training as every other pilot who is now flying at Pinnacle. Anyone saying that Colgan pilots can't handle a CRJ is ridiculous, they have been through the exact same training and passed the exact same checking events as every other guy sitting in a CRJ at Pinnacle. If anything, the Colgan guy might end up having better navigation skills than an original Pinnacle guy, just because flying a Beech or a Saab with /A required solid VOR and chart reading skills to get where you needed to go, as opposed to the simplicity of navigating with a GPS and FMS.
And yes, I speak from experience. I am just another Colgan lowlife who got displaced from the Saab. Yet somehow I've managed to not bend metal, get lost, stall the plane, or have any other huge difficulties learning a new plane. It's no different than any other guy newly coming to a CRJ from a Saab or Q. There is a learning curve, the key is to be humble and get guidance from the guy in the other seat who has invariably been sitting in a CRJ for longer than I have.
03-12-2013, 08:08 AM
#46
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Posts: 149
Originally Posted by STR8NLVL
Maybe. It didn't come across as sarcasm at all, in the face of numerous accusations that Colgan pilots were bringing down the safety record. It appears he was serious, and full of bologna...
Colgan pilots going to the CRJ got the exact same full initial training as every other pilot who is now flying at Pinnacle. Anyone saying that Colgan pilots can't handle a CRJ is ridiculous, they have been through the exact same training and passed the exact same checking events as every other guy sitting in a CRJ at Pinnacle. If anything, the Colgan guy might end up having better navigation skills than an original Pinnacle guy, just because flying a Beech or a Saab with /A required solid VOR and chart reading skills to get where you needed to go, as opposed to the simplicity of navigating with a GPS and FMS.
And yes, I speak from experience. I am just another Colgan lowlife who got displaced from the Saab. Yet somehow I've managed to not bend metal, get lost, stall the plane, or have any other huge difficulties learning a new plane. It's no different than any other guy newly coming to a CRJ from a Saab or Q. There is a learning curve, the key is to be humble and get guidance from the guy in the other seat who has invariably been sitting in a CRJ for longer than I have.
03-12-2013, 08:36 AM
#47
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Position: 767 CA
Posts: 411
Originally Posted by STR8NLVL
Maybe. It didn't come across as sarcasm at all, in the face of numerous accusations that Colgan pilots were bringing down the safety record. It appears he was serious, and full of bologna...
Carry on...
03-12-2013, 09:07 AM
#48
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Remember this?
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2008/AAR0802.pdf
This was a Pinnacle check airman doing IOE.
Those that poke fun at this kind of thing have yet to be humbled.
People make mistakes and hopefully learn from them. If the guy was returning to the gate he was likely distracted. Add that it was dark and the F.O. was probably trying to contact ops and you have a perfect T.E.M. scenario.
I doubt it has anything to do with the captain being unable to control the aircraft.
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2008/AAR0802.pdf
This was a Pinnacle check airman doing IOE.
Those that poke fun at this kind of thing have yet to be humbled.
People make mistakes and hopefully learn from them. If the guy was returning to the gate he was likely distracted. Add that it was dark and the F.O. was probably trying to contact ops and you have a perfect T.E.M. scenario.
I doubt it has anything to do with the captain being unable to control the aircraft.
03-12-2013, 09:31 AM
#49
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Originally Posted by swamp
Your missing what most of us are complaining about. When pinnacle guys were hired at pinnacle we were hired as FO's not Captains. The few off the street CA we hired in 07/08 all had previous experience on the CRJ. We now have Colgan guys who have 0 Jet experience commanding a Jet. Most reasonable people would agree, these Colgan guys should have at least sat in the right seat of the RJ for at least 6 months. Beating a dead horse, but your argument that a Colgan Ca right out of training, is just as capable of flying the RJ as well as a 9E or XJ guy with years of experience is ridiculous.
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