You're right in the wheelhouse for a civilian guy. They like the CP experience, international time and being typed in Boeing or Airbus products. Active is good, being patient is the hard part. Good luck!

But do they actually call? I'd imagine everything is email these days...

They first call to go over your resume.

It's my first post... be gentle. I've RTFD multiple times and it still isn't crystal clear. I've searched the forum archives for the particular answer, and while I'm sure it's floating around the nets, I can't find it. I'd rather get ridiculed by the internet than tube my UPS app because I don't want to ask a stupid question.

On the Flight Crew Application Supplement, Section II Flight Time, it states:

"UPS considers Instructor/Evaluator time as PIC time. List the PIC and Instructor/Evaluator time separately in the appropriate columns."

Perhaps I don't have the required reading comprehension skills, but this statement appears to contradict itself.

Under the "Add Aircraft Information", there is a separate block for PIC and a separate block for INST/EVAL. So for example if I had 600 hours of non-instructional PIC time and 400 hours of INST/EVAL time, I would fill out those blocks as 1000/400 or 600/400? I'm inclined to think the directions want me to put 600PIC and 400INST/EVAL (listed separately in the appropriate columns), and the rest of the form is combined PIC+Inst/Eval of 1000.

The Part B Section II just lists PIC time and/or Total time, and it's pretty clear that those blocks are intended for the cumulative PIC+Inst/Eval times, per the first half of the instructions (Instructor/Evaluation time as PIC time).

RTFQ/RTFD, got it. Maybe I just have terrible reading comprehension?

I added up all PIC time including IP/EP for the PIC category. The IP/EP category is where you tell them how much of your PIC time is IP/EP. They hired me, so it probably wasn’t wrong. Remember, this application was created for truck drivers and modified for pilots. Just like the Hogan, don’t overthink it.

They want you to list them separately - so 600/400 using your example. The confusing verbiage just means “don’t worry, we know it’s all PIC, we want you to break it up.” Likely when your app gets scored the system adds the two together and makes a comparison to other parts of the app...so make sure things add up.

At least that’s how I did it. Standard disclaimer, I don’t work for HR but I’ve proofread a lot of apps and most of them are here now so if I’m wrong it must not be too wrong.

Hello, reviving a little the subject !
After you have someone recommending you with HR!
Does it increase your changes to get a call or it just puts your app at the top of the pile?
Applied last month, fingers crossed!!
My stats 8,500tt 3100 turbine PIC all civilian !
5 types!! And Bachelors degree!
Thanks !!

I don't think anyone outside of HR knows for certain how/where/when internals help. I will say that I was in the pool for about six months. Two weeks after I got an internal, I got the call for class. Make of that what you will.

The instructions seem pretty clear. There is one statement about what UPS considers, and one directive statement. The statement about what UPS considers is informative. Think of it this way:

“UPS considers Pullman Brown the best color for delivery vehicles. List the PIC and Instructor/Evaluator time separately in the appropriate columns.”

The first sentence is informative and includes no directions. The second is directive.

Don’t overthink it; just do what it says to do.

Disclaimer: I just work here. I (and others posting) have no idea what HR was thinking when they made the application or if they really care how you list your time. I followed their instructions as literally as I could and they offered an immediate job, so I guess that was good enough. Don’t fret about this stuff, just do what you think it says to do and be prepared to explain it if it comes up. As a single point of reference (though I know several others who had the same experience), they didn’t ask about or discuss my hours in the interview. They never even referenced my logbook/flight records when I was present.

That’s basically how I read it. Just wanted to make sure since the UPS app seems to be a pass/fail test and I wanted to get it right. My app is showing “active” and I haven’t received any TBNT email yet, so that’s a win. I’m stuck in a hotel room for 7 days, with nothing but a laptop and time. Overthinking is all I’ve got... cheers