It is going to pass no matter what.

You have to, because you need to have a number to work with as you calculate your rigs and rules.

Rates are nothing without rules

Can you try and complete an argument just once? What did I say that was untrue?

HAVE JB PILOTS PAY, WORK RULES AND BENEFITS BEEN MAKING THE INDUSTRY PROUD THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS OR HAVE WE BEEN AT OR NEAR THE BOTTOM???

Actually defend your drive-by garbage sandwiches for once.

Hopefully it passes because the N.C. did a great job and it doesn’t suck.

This. 1000% this.

As I’m sure you would agree there is stuff to be proud of. We had one of the highest Alpa votes ever, had a huge turnout in the freaking freezing cold to march on LSC, we have driven some culture changes here. We are sitting here with an AIP and were the first group to unionize at jetblue, from what I understand we were about to have another rather large rally. So while we most likely could have done this faster and should have voted in ALPA long ago I think in those areas we can be proud about our position in the industry. That’s not directed at you bluedriver, just me being me.

We shall see... I'm not trusting till the final verbiage is available because it's negotiated by airline pilots who have a false sense of normalcy. Whether they acknowledge it or not, the are beaten down and already accustomed to low standards. Everyone around them (e.g. national ALPA and other pilots) breed a culture of unnecessary compromise. They already brushed me off when I mentioned some legalisms I wanted to see in the contract.

Too many people were too happy with the smoke & mirrors PEA which I consider to be worthless, since it always ends in arbitration (bribed by the company). 3A proves my point.

NO COMPROMISES.

This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

Sure, and Airtran pilots weren't cowering in the fetal position just happy to be there either.

But I did ask specifically about our pay, work rules and benefits.

How have they been the last several years compared to our peers?

You think it's totally fair for a JB pilot to talk down to a former Airtran pilot about being the "Mesa of the Majors"?

So what should we get? Give us your bulletpoints Q.
Thats a serious question, since it would appear you are already a NO.

Good thanks
Let’s table the speculation and yes or no votes until we can all read the details.