Boy on September 13th, everyone was sure that that Sturgis rally forecast model was nonsense. But COVID moves slowly. And all those bikers went to the rally, infected each other, and then drove home to their Upper Midwestern towns. It was like a slow motion bomb went off.

This is where we are 2 months later. Sturgis, SD is literally the epicenter.



boom.

Im surprised the Chief Cheeto hasn’t said something like this.

Its a hoax.
It will be over by Easter
Back to normal by April
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11/24 New Cases +177,103 New Deaths +2,216
11/25 New Cases +181,124 New Deaths +2,304






Please be safe and make smart choices this Thanksgiving.

1. The CDC is 70,000 deaths behind.

2. You think the families of those 50 babies feel like the statistical odds make their loss any easier?

We all have loved ones in those high risk age groups. Are you saying that it's okay if 50+ years old people die? What point are you trying to make?

The point is one of maintaining perspective.

For all the talk about daily and cumulative death tolls, there CLEARLY is a demographic that is bearing a massively disproportionate burden of mortality based on CFR; that same demographic also bears a disproportionate burden of hospitalized cases as evidenced by the (few) states that provide that data.

The CDC infographic may be behind in cases and deaths, but the percentages have been remarkably consistent over the last few months.

There were 188 US pediatric deaths from influenza in the 19-20 flu season, the same record death toll as the 17-18 flu season, despite approved vaccines and antivirals. To this point in the pandemic, there have been fewer US pediatric deaths from COVID-19 than from influenza. This is a good thing that frequently gets ignored by the media, as it means much fewer average "years lost" from a pandemic death which is a marked difference from, for example, 1918 H1N1.

For all the comparisons made to influenza, SARS-CoV-2 statistically is much less virulent for pediatric patients and much much more virulent for elderly patients. Does that minimize the grief parents of children killed by COVID feel? No, absolutely not, just like it doesn't minimize the grief children of elderly killed by COVID feel.

If we as as society ACTUALLY believe in the importance of facts and "what is" and truly believe in "following the science", this is the kind of objective data people need to be reminded of in order to draw their own informed conclusions.

Well, since we're debating the facts. We haven't haven't had a virus as virulent as SARS-CoV-2 with as much killing potential since the Spanish Flu of 1918-1920. And let's be clear, it's not just killing 90 year olds. It's killing people in their 50s at a pretty good clip. And those in their 20s-40s may survive, but severe cases will require hospital intervention.

I don't understand what your point is, anyway. I said for people to be cautious and remember that there's a pandemic out there. Is your point to hand wave it all away because of the fact that the concentration of deaths are 50+?

Mitigation, prevention, and a little social sacrifice for the winter isn't going to kill anyone. COVID Superspreader events at the Thanksgiving dinner table will.

Doctors are begging us to be more responsible. You can chalk this one up to "maintaining perspective."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpUqQSxXYug

By their very nature, facts shouldn't really be matter for debate...you know, them being facts and all.

I'd agree with that based on ease of transmission (unlike SARS or MERS), with the stipulation that 1968 H3N2 adjusted for current populations gets really darn close.

Of course it isn't, it is killing people in all demographics...but facts show it is killing those 65+ years old at a substantially higher rate than younger people.

I explained my point, if you don't get it thats okay. I agree with being cautious and continuing mitigations and no, I don't "hand waive it all away" simply because I believe people should be aware of the groups SARS-CoV-2 has the worst outcomes in.

Hospitals around me aren't at capacity but they do have more COVID patients than at any point before; I believe and understand the pleas of medical professionals for people to make responsible decisions. I happen to think people can still travel and gather for Thanksgiving while utilizing mitigations to minimize risk, but it appears nuance is lost on the "STAY HOME OR YOU'LL KILL PEOPLE!!1!ELEVEN" segment of the population (not saying that is you) that fails to realize New Zealand-level elimination isn't realistic.

I've been working all pandemic long, sometimes riding in the back of airliners, taking cabs or Ubers, staying in hotels, eating at restaurants...there is inherent risk in all those activities but 1. everybody has a different level of risk tolerance and 2. its what I have to do to earn a paycheck. I'm not afraid of the clinical impact should I contract SARS-CoV-2 as I'm not a high risk age, not overweight, don't have high blood pressure and frequently do cardiovascular exercise...so while I'll get a vaccine when one is available to me as a CEIW my preference would be to wait a month or three while others at greater risk for transmission, hospitalization and death (especially staff & residents of long-term care facilities) get them first.

I hope we ALL have a safe and healthy Thanksgiving, be it at home, on the road, or gathered with family and friends and this nonsense is trending down substantially by the end of Q1'21.

Do you honestly think those percentages will change?

This!!!

And we have to suffer fools who keep repeating stupid things the POTUS said while *conveniently* forgetting
"Come on down to china town!"

Shutting down Chinese travel is "racist and xenophobic"

"I Take responsibility for being setup"


"I know you all are losing everything and the streets are on fire but here's my ice cream and fridge that costs more than you make in a year!"

"How's about we California politicians fly to Hawaii for conference?" "Great idea!"



"I’m the public face of this city,” she said looking somewhat taken aback. “I’m on national media,” and “I’m out in the public eye.” “I’m practicing what I’m preaching,” Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot.



"The first thing I'd like to say is that in politics it used to be that we kept our families out of it, My official duties have nothing to do with my family. So, I'm not going to answer that question. It's inappropriate and I find it reprehensible, honestly that that a reporter wrote a story about it" Governor of Illinois Pritzker


Little more than a month later, Whitmer again made national news. This time, it was for violating those social distancing rules by participating in a George Floyd demonstration. Whitmer posted a photo of herself walking in close proximity with other protesters on the Governor's Facebook page.....Yet, Whitmer later admitted that her husband traveled 184 miles one way to a second home so he could rake leaves.

“I own the mistake. I expect more from myself. I’ll never do it again,” Gavin Newsom.

"I humbly ask you to forgive decisions that are borne of my heart and not my head" the Denver mayor who *knowingly* broke his own rules


It must be nice to have convenient amnesia.