Amusing. Nice ASSumption. Voted yes for COBRA. I was furloughed in 2003.

Damn. Didn't know we had so many socialists here at the big D. Why should I take a pay hit to fund $5k per month per pilot plus medical and DC? Some who have never turned a wheel and may never come back. Oh that's right, millennials are entitled to being taken care of. All I have to do to is pick up an extra trip to make up for it right?...more time away from my family. The company should pay for this, not the pilot group. I've given plenty over my 20 plus years here. Don't be sore at me for voting no. Look at your company and your "representation".

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The pay hit is what, 2 hrs? That's insignificant and is more than made up for with the drop in GS trigger. If the vaccine is distributed quickly and pax return it will be raining green in Summer/Fall. Grab an umbrella

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I actually get some of where you are coming from (but don't share it). However, our C44 update said it best. If we shoot this down--or let's say this LOA was never negotiated in the first place--a whole lot of pilots are going to get furloughed. Okay, that's life, move on, etc.

Because of that, the contract already has a provision to reduce the TLV. So your choices are really this:

1. Furlough 1700+ pilots, and the TLV is reduced because of the furlough.

2. Ratify LOA 20-04, the TLV is reduced, all those pilots get the 30 hours a month and more, AND we get a host of contractual improvements. They are ALL improvements by the way. Guys were correctly complaining that raising the TLV in C2012 was a concession. Now they're complaining because it is being reduced? Lower GS trigger--win. ARCOS for WS, and more importantly, next day WS are now proffers--win. PS for commuting--huge win, and I don't even commute.

I would vote for this LOA if there was no furlough mitigation at all (even though the entire point of this one is furlough mitigation). The NC did a stellar job.

Or you can vote no, hope everyone else does, have all those guys hit the street, STILL get a TLV reduction, with zero contractual improvements.

I wish we had had the "outside the box" thinking back when you were furloughed. We just didn't. Now we do and I salute the NC and MEC for getting us these past three LOAs.

Boomers gonna boom.

That's sort of true, but the reality is if this deal doesn't pass you'd work X number of days for Y amount of money over the course of a year. If the deal passes and you want Y amount of money you'll still have to work the same X number of days per year, but it'll take a WS or two go actually get there instead of just having it assigned via PBS.

The LOA does relieve the group from :45 per month in Cobra assessment...so there's that if you're doing the math.

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Those who have seen that can never "unsee" it but we can spare other APC members.

C'mon dude that was nasty - and not nice. Lets channel some positive vibes.

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