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Originally Posted by dudemanbro
Gents,
New guy here. I apologize if this have been covered with the new hiring changes. If so I will go back in hiding and do 'more betterer' searching. Just looking for a few bump steers. I don't know what I don't know!
Few questions in one here. I wanted to get your thoughts on the removal of the Unrestricted ATP requirement being removed from the hiring letter. It now just says commercial / instrument rating with "all aernouatical experience requirments for an ATP." All in accordance with the 61.159. Obviously, it was removed for a reason and I have some buddies telling me DAL doesn't seem to care that much "if you dropped some cash to go pretend to fly a light twin." Allegedly...
Is it worth it to go pay the couple thousand bucks to check the container? Someone said it brilliantly earlier and recommended don't cut corners for this opportunity. I am leaning on going to knock it because of my flight time is on the low end. I have been asking some buddies currently with the company. However, there seems to be two schools of thought. I am leaning on the second.
1. Seniority is everything, get your app in NOW with 1450 hours and no ATP
-philosophy is that by the time they call, you'll be good
-Submit my civilian logbook numbers (which I add .3 to every flight IAW FAR regs for taxi time. That puts me over 1700 and all unrestricted ATP mins met)
-If interviewed make sure my military time matches my logs (which it does. The local FSDO advised me how to log the time on a single line entry and said when I do check ride he will give unrestricted ATP based off the taxi time).
2. Be patient, wait until 1500 exactly and submit AND beef up the stats in the meantime.
Stats:
-1450 total time (no multiplier / 1100ish fighter PIC / 200 IP hours) all other ATP mins met but the magic 1500
-CPT Course complete
-Written complete
My plan is to wait. I am afraid to get screened by HR submitting now since I don't have unrestricted ATP mins met. And if I do put my civ logbook numbers in, it could get a little weird if I get a call sooner rather than later.
In the meantime, knock out:
-CFI mil comp test +rating (since I'd never pass an 8 hour CFI oral exam)
-ATP check ride
-Military FCF upgrade and SEFE upgrade
-EC prep
-Far rocks = red tie (already have a blue suit...boom)
I know a lot of this is subjective, but the last thing I want to do is burn a bridge with the company by rushing it. I know guys who have used their civilian log numbers like this with success, but I don't want it to be perceived as sketchy.
Thanks for any input!
Didn’t see any other responses to this, so I figured I’d try to add something for you. I was a mil guy who went through Delta’s ATP-CTP course, and they broke the app scoring process down for us.
Basically, they have some internal app score minimum, and if an app scores less than that minimum (meaning no interview call), the app gets set aside for 12 months and will not be looked at early for any reason until the 12 months is up (so adding a silver bullet during that 12 months would just be wasted).
The problem is, you don’t know when they would score your app, you don’t know what the minimum score is (because it probably changes depending on many factors) and you don’t know what your app score will be. You also won’t know when they put you on that 12 month cooling off period. All of that stuff is invisible to the applicant, so you have no SA on where your app sits unless and until they call you in for an interview.
I hesitate to give you any advice, but personally speaking, I chose to hold onto my app and NOT publish it until I had every box checked that I possibly could. I finished my time in the mil, checked every box on the app that I could, and quadruple checked my app for errors (and had it reviewed professionally) before I hit submit.
I had low total time (just over 1500 total time, mil + civ) though so I wanted to make sure I had as many other points as I could. I declined to add any conversion to my hours, so all my mil time was as logged (not saying that’s the right way, just what I chose to do).
The reason I hesitate to give you advice is because I don’t know how much weight that unrestricted ATP box carries.