And... Before COVID, the big 3 plus FEDEX were better opportunities, as in moving faster generally and better pay generally. Then COVID, some got a short career disruption, most didn't, now immediately after COVID, or some would say still during COVID, those companies are again moving faster and with generally better pay. In addition, JB is now slowing it's growth rate. In fact Robin said that slower growth rate may well be here for a long time as pilots are less available to the second tier (2nd tier by choice, the company could offer DL+ 10% if it wanted to) airlines.

So, tell me again how going to one of the 1st tier airlines is so scary and why???

With GDP slowing I think we will may see slowing attrition.

There are a couple of aggressive large airlines that may not slow there hiring...

I was also told by some here that $100 barrel oil was going to slow hiring and passenger ticket sales. Airlines literally can't keep up with demand right now.

Where did I say it was scary, or are you just putting words in my mouth? If you’re scared this business is not for you. This industry will always be cyclical as we know, and the Covid disruption you mentioned was mostly shielded by Cares I, Cares II and Cares III. Without those bills, it would’ve been a massacre, even JetBlue would’ve been hard pressed not to furlough. Whether that happens next time is anyone’s guess. Again if you’ve been here for only a few years, the risk is pretty low. If we’re talking about 5-10+ years, which was questioned by many here when Covid first hit, I believe is a different story. You can disagree BD, that’s fine.

I agree with everything you’ve said. I’m 4th year Bus FO here and finally starting to make good money in this industry. Somedays days I feel like getting everything together and trying to start over at United, most days I don’t. I also drive to work here and have a side business…so it’s whatever. I know what my prospects are here: bus captain eventually that will sit short call for a long time. I’m at peace with my life. To each their own I guess. It seems to be all doom and gloom here at JB. It’s not a legacy, but it’s a good job. We’re all gonna land on our feet one way or another. The Spirit thing could shake things up and make it interesting. If not, we’ll probably get bought to cover some of these legacy retirements. Who knows.

One of the biggest problems here is the pairing construction. The quality of the pairings has gone down massively. Guys that have only been here 4-5 years don’t always understand that. Most 20 year guys will tell you they had better schedules 5 years ago than they do now. That’s one of the reasons why 6-8 year guys are considering leaving now.

It is the major driver to our dysfunction.

The grid system is a much bigger problem and QOL detriment than the pairings I believe. Narrow-body pairings industrywide are pretty rough right now.

Pairing construction is not driving attrition. It’s not even top 5. Come on now. Yea it sucks, but it’s also something that can be fixed relatively quickly. Our reserve in general blows. Hopefully CBA 2.0 will fix it, since captains will be spending 10 years sitting reserve.

I’m not sure if you were referring to me but I never said it was driving attrition. It’s driving the system disruptions by scheduling pilots at max duty when we don’t run on time. Pilots and FA’s are timing out and fatiguing because of the pairing construction. We don’t run well enough to schedule crews like this.