Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta? - Page 10034

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Jesse , 05-21-2012 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tsquare

This is a fascinating comment. So the contract is 477 pages (I'll take your word for it) That is a difficult assignment no doubt, and since it is written by ********* lawyers FOR ********* lawyers, it is esoteric, vague, hard to read language. But...... if DALPA comes out in road shows to explain the contract language in plain English that most of us speak, it is a "sell job". I guess they can't win that, huh?

(And this is not a comment on YOU Sink...)

You're right, it'll just be an unbiased presentation of facts whether they're positive or negative. And I'm confident they won't push a recommendation that members vote for it.

#100332

dragon , 05-21-2012 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

There is another piece to this TA puzzle that will be announced before the vote. The TA will be a marginal pass with the junior pilots voting for it more so then the senior pilots. It fails in my two biggest needs, pay and retirement. When the last piece is dangled it will sadly ratify.

Based on what I'm seeing on APC and assuming most of the posters are junior, I don't see it passing with us. The real problem will be the folks that just want to "do their job" and don't/won't stay informed.

There was no reason for us to hurry on this issue. Ben Franklin (or maybe it was Buzz) said "Haste makes waste".

#100333

Surprise , 05-21-2012 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Boomer

If you're going with the "ALPA's out to get them" theory, you can look into the relationship between GoJetsssss and TSA. There is a dash of animosity there if you look real hard.

Well, I guess you're right. I hadn't thought of it that way, but to the extent that GoJet circumvents everything TSA, it circumvents ALPA, too. That's more dues money they lost, in addition to the egg on the face.

Yep, I think ALPA holds a grudge.

#100334

copydat , 05-21-2012 06:45 PM

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Where are you getting the 4:30 min pay per day? I see 5:15 just like our present contract. If they dropped it to 4:30 that could be a significant pay cut on some rotations.

#100335

Scoop , 05-21-2012 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

There is another piece to this TA puzzle that will be announced before the vote. The TA will be a marginal pass with the junior pilots voting for it more so then the senior pilots. It fails in my two biggest needs, pay and retirement. When the last piece is dangled it will sadly ratify.

You had me at "It Fails...."

Scoop

#100336

A6danimal , 05-21-2012 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

There is another piece to this TA puzzle that will be announced before the vote..

It better be a $1,000,000 signing bonus for each of us or I'm still going to be very disappointed.

#100337

Racer X , 05-21-2012 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Uhhh....I don't think so. Most everyone on the seniority list has been here more than a decade so the "junior" folk have seen the dog and pony show before. Many have been furloughed for a long time, both NW and DL, so I wouldn't count on the junior vote for this one.

It's the oldies that I worry about the most....just like you said pay and retirement.

#100338

slowplay , 05-21-2012 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudder

Slow,

Are you counting the 50 seat jets in you analysis? If so, why? These are gone anyhow and we should not even be considering them in any formula.

Conventional wisdom...that isn't.

The 50 seaters are under contract to DCI through 2023. There's 311 of them under contract at the end of 2015, or just 125 with this TA.

#100339

sailingfun , 05-21-2012 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by slowplay

Conventional wisdom...that isn't.

The 50 seaters are under contract to DCI through 2023. There's 311 of them under contract at the end of 2015, or just 125 with this TA.

There are not 125 under contract with this TA. There are still 311. I was told the agreements for the majority drop dead between 2017 and 2024. Delta is not going to be released from the leases by Bombardier with a a big quid. Look for that announcement soon.

#100340

slowplay , 05-21-2012 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Go back and reread the TA section 1. You will find that you are incorrect.