Understood, thanks for clarifying. Still in total disagreement with someone that was never hired by Delta, or a product of a merger or buyout, jumping ahead of a Delta retiree. But, we will have to agree to disagree because neither group has any say in any policy outside of the contract that Delta wishes to institute.

I don't think a retiree should go ahead of any active employee of any contractor with travel benefits.

Ouch. Mic drop.

Now prepare for the “I never applied and have no desire,” rebuttal.

C Suite has showed no intentions of reducing the contracted workforce (just the opposite), nor has any pilot group successfully negotiated to reduce it either (again the opposite). Not everyone has the opportunity to work at mainline because the positions do not exists, amongst many other reasons, qualifications aside. They are told to provide a mainline experience, and discouraged from telling passengers they are flying another airline. If they do their jobs right, the passenger has no idea they’re not flying mainline. They do the same jobs for less; it’s about time they get thrown a bone.

Endeavor is a product of a buyout though. Just not an integrated product.

There are a lot of Delta employees that are on a different scale because they are part of a wholly owned subsidiary instead of not. Same is true for mechanics and gate agents.

You want a mess of a nonrev system? Look at the AA one. Every active employee is the same priority but it's based on time of check-in for the flight.

If we can start getting scope back this turns into a lot less of an issue, and when it comes down to it, there aren't really that many Endeavor employees that I see traveling around, I don't think the impact will be that large.

Let me add a class of traveler some may not be aware of: those out on disability, who sink to S3B with zero jump seats and no OA non rev ability either. I am one, and it sucks worse than being a retiree due to there being no options aside from Delta and the Connections. S3B is the dregs of priority as it stands. Adding non Delta employees above S3B is a travesty! You may ask “why does somebody on disability need to have travel benefits?” Evidently Delta does not see a reason, given the dramatic slash in priority from active employment to LTD. But here’s a two part answer: 1) to continue enjoying a life that was dealt a tough blow. A good number of pilots fall into this category, with little expectation of returning to active service. Life goes on, but there’s little expression of gratitude for years of service in the form of travel benefits. Travel actually gets better when you convert from LTD to regular retirement, when many OA benefits are reinstated. And 2) most crucially, disabled pilots often need to travel in order to seek reinstatement of medical certification. Should a 20 + year Delta employee heading across the country for specialized aviation medical care be bumped by non-Delta traveler? Doesn’t seem right! Since it’s not in the PWA, not much we can do about it. Except place it in the memory banks for when we are addressed as “valued employees” and/or presented with an on-the-fence ratification vote. Just when I was getting worked up about all the “HKs” coming out of the woodwork these days, now there’s another category of traveler to frustrate the process. But unlike a HK, it does nothing to bolster the bottom line of our company.

So a retired, disabled former pilot with nothing to do but fly around should board before an active, underpaid pilot from the WO who still needs to get to work to feed his family?

Anyway it's sad watching you guys get nasty with each other over a policy that both pilot groups had exactly ZERO influence to control. Any unpleasantness should be directed towards DAL management.

I don't think anybody is being nasty, we just have differing opinions and some people seem to be prepped to play the butthurt victim card. I restate my opinion that most Endeavor pilots are being short sighted if they celebrate getting priority over DAL retirees. Of course not all, but I have to assume most aspire to some day be a DAL retiree. I do agree that this is another one of the 99% (made up statistic) of online discussions that has zero bearing on any real world outcomes since as you correctly mentioned, this is up to management and not the pilot groups. I have a feeling management probably has PS for life so what do they care about S3A vs S3B, they and their families won't be affected...

It’s interesting how Delta pilots keep telling us what’s best for us. I understand your arguments about this hurting your retirement pass travel benefits in 5 years . Keep in mind your preaching to guys with 30+ years before retirement.
FWIW. Endeavor has no pass travel benefits for disabled pilots.

So my question about CS phone numbers from yesterday is now a moot point, CS is back in their normal building. I called the PSC to mention this and the person who answered listened patiently but I don't think he really cared. Just frustrating that I could've missed a call out through what would have been no fault of my own. Oh well.

Moving on, I have a few questions about RAW scores. The scheduling reference handbook says you get 5.00 for a day of SC. Does that 5.00 include the 1.00 of credit you get if you're not used? What about if you are used, do you get the trip credit + the 5.00 towards your RAW score? Thanks!